x11 should already be on your system. that's what the error message is trying to tell you.

i've tried gimp on my ibook so it's not a conspiracy by anybody. i also use lots of other open source/freeware/shareware software, most notably blender, wings3d, adium, cyberduck etc etc

you should be aware, though, that tablet events are not accessible to apple x11 based apps, so your tablet if you have one won't work. actually it will, but it won't have any pressure sensitivity. this is what made me dump gimp after about 5 seconds. hopefully apple will fix this.

there is an app called seashore (based on gimp) with a native aqua interface. read about it here: http://orange.blender.org/blog/seashore it's still in the early stages of develpment and rather crude at the moment though it will restore pressure sensitivity.

 

x11 should already be on your system. that's what the error message is trying to tell you...

Thanks TroutMaskReplica,

I'm obviously encouraged that you've already worked with Gimp but, loading it says I need X11 or something???? & when I download X11 ..... I'm obviously not able to make it work.

It's funner & more believable that it's a conspiracy when things go wrong...??

Please, help me out if anyone else has advice/solution?

Thanks,

davidslegend

 

I don't know if that qualifies as a bug, but it's pretty darn annoying. Happened to me too - until someone in here clued me into the fact that you DO need to install X11, but NOT the one that's on Apple's website. You have to go back to the Install DVD that came with your computer, and do a Custom Install, and choose JUST the X11 package (don't want to wipe anything else out).

I still don't understand why the downloadable version won't install.. anybody with more *nix experience than me able to explain it?

M.

 

Look for X11SDK.pkg in Spotlight if you have Tiger or in Finder, it will then install when you double click on it. I went through the exact same thing you described, then found X11SDK.pkg and now thing work like a charm. Even though X11 hasn't officially been installed, for some reason when trying to install the download version it finds the .pkg and stops the install.

I also use Gimp and have Corel Paint IX and find that I use Gimp more often for editing.

 

I knew it!

I don't know if that qualifies as a bug, but it's pretty darn annoying. Happened to me too - until someone in here clued me into the fact that you DO need to install X11, but NOT the one that's on Apple's website. You have to go back to the Install DVD that came with your computer, and do a Custom Install, and choose JUST the X11 package (don't want to wipe anything else out).

I still don't understand why the downloadable version won't install.. anybody with more *nix experience than me able to explain it?

M.

CONSPIRACY!!! I KNEW IT! CONSPIRACY!!!

I tried the spotlight thing with no results so I'll try the disk thing later...not sure if I do it tonight...lazy.

Cross your fingers & thanks again for your efforts all!

Cheers,

davidslegend

 

i think if you opted to install the developer tools when you installed tiger, x11 will be already installed.

or something. bah! i can't remember.

 

You could also download fink. It is a helpful tool for installing all kinds of UNIX based utilities that don't come with OS X. In fact, the GIMP is one of the things it will install for you. Fink Commander makes the install easier with a graphical interface.

http://fink.sourceforge.net/download/
http://finkcommander.sourceforge.net/

 

Insert your OS install disc and double-click the 'Install Bundled Software Only' icon. Among the other software choices, you should find X11. There's no conspiracy, but X11 isn't installed by default as it's not needed by "typical" users. Once the install finishes you should be able to run Gimp.

 

I'm in Panther, but I imagine it's the same. X11 is located at /Applications/Utilities/X11 if you want to check to see if it's already there.
Apple is in fact a pretty decent open source contributor - there's no conspiracy - just looks like a bug in your system or process.
By the way I second the recommendation for Fink. That's how I got GnuCash and The Gimp up and running.

 

Thank you for posting this thread. I just got my iBook 4 days ago, and I had a crazy time installing GIMP. I followed the links and instructions in this thread. You guys here are like tartes! *worships*

 

Thread moved to Mac Help & Troubleshooting.

 

I have X and gimp on my ibook, being a former unix/linux user (UW grad), gimp was a must have for me to make funny pictures of my cow-orkers.

 

How about pre-compiled GIMP? from here (http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/14597).??

 

Hi Again...

Insert your OS install disc and double-click the 'Install Bundled Software Only' icon. Among the other software choices, you should find X11. There's no conspiracy, but X11 isn't installed by default as it's not needed by "typical" users. Once the install finishes you should be able to run Gimp.

OS install Disc meaning Tiger install 1 disk? Or the Jaguar disk that came with my computer? Or...Xcode 2

Sorry, I'm so lost here.

Thanks-you.

davidslegend

 

OS install Disc meaning Tiger install 1 disk? Or the Jaguar disk that came with my computer? Or...Xcode 2

Sorry, I'm so lost here.

Thanks-you.

davidslegend

It's on the Tiger disc 1, but it'll also be on the Jaguar disc. Use the CD for the OS version you're actually running now, to make sure the files are compatible.

When doing a fresh install of the OS, you can install X11 at the same time by clicking the Customize button during the setup process; it isn't installed by default, but it's a simple matter of checking its box.

Hope this helps clear the fog.

 

Sign...I'm loosing my mind...

It's on the Tiger disc 1, but it'll also be on the Jaguar disc. Use the CD for the OS version you're actually running now, to make sure the files are compatible.

When doing a fresh install of the OS, you can install X11 at the same time by clicking the Customize button during the setup process; it isn't installed by default, but it's a simple matter of checking its box.

Hope this helps clear the fog.

Hi,

Not sure it's 'cause I wasn't doing a "fresh" install. By this I mean I did do an OS X install but, without wiping out or destroying my data this time. I did not see a "customize" button in this process. I've tried many of the links that were suggested & didn't get the desire effect either. X11 isn't on Apples own website anymore, arghhh....!!!!?!

I believe I even need X11 to get Openoffice as well. Okay, I had a beer tonight but, I think either my skills of observation are powerless or my computer literacy is substandard these days since I haven't gotten this simply download from the suggestions or advice given thus far.

Many thanks.

Best Regards,

davidslgend

 

This is Apple's download link for X11;

http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/x11formacosx.html

 

Thank-you....Thank-you....Thank-you...Thank-you....!!!!etc

This is Apple's download link for X11;

http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/x11formacosx.html

Hi,

I sure hope this works...!!!


Many Many thanks!

Best BEst Best REgards,

davidslegend

 

Hi,

Same thing....X11 could not be installed because"a newer version exists"...What the fragen@#$#%#%@#$!!!! Ya, so I've tried multiply ways here...why not an available download....I know I'm not the only one with this issue!

Thanks for trying!

davidslegend

 

X11 will install fine from your Tiger disk. It's under the extras or software bundle. There is no need to reinstall Tiger. I've done it and installed Gimp as well with no issues. So, plop the Tiger disc in and look for it. The download version is for installs on previous versions of OS X. Therefore it will not install on Tiger. Hence, you need the X11 from your Tiger install disc.

 

Well to all you "it's just that simple and you're all dummies" dudes, it's not that simple and it's not working!!

My PowerBook came with Panther and I bought a standalone version of Tiger - there was only one DVD in the box - no such thing as Disk 1.

On the DVD is the Tiger install icon - which demands a restart as soon as you click on it. There are two readme files and another folder of extra stuff - xCode items - whatever the heck that is to a lay person.

No mention of x11.

No installer for this xCode stuff, so I went though the double-clicking on the .pkg file and it seemed to install. The developers folder appeared on my hard drive. Inkscape still keeps complaining that x11 won't start.

I then did a search for x11SDK (as suggested here) and double-clicked on it - it did it's thing and told me that there was an error and it couldn't install.

I then went back to the DVD and double-clicked the x11SDK from there and got a successful install (HAH!) but Inkscape still complains that x11 won't start.

Apple has done something stupid with Tiger and these developer tools IMHO. I've installed them with previous versions of OSX and it WAS just that easy. This time around, I don't know what's happening, but I can't get it to work.

Although the last install said it was successful, there is no x11 app on my computer and if I remember correctly, there should be.

I don't even remember why I wanted to do this, it's become such a frustration

Margaret

 

Hi, look in utilities for the X11 install.
On the Tiger Disc, there is an icon for optional installs. On my PB I have to scroll down to see it. double click optional installs. Select from the drop down for applications. In the drop down is X11. Check that and continue the install. It installed under utilities on my machine.

 

not there.

no x11 on my computer. nada.

Margaret

 

not there.

no x11 on my computer. nada.

Margaret

I'm not sure I understand, are you saying it's not there! LOL

 

yep, it's not there and it's not here and I can't find it and Inkscape won't run.

If I remember right, X11 should show up like any other application in the Applications folder or maybe in the Utilities folder - well nothing there.

I give up.

Margaret