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What Would Canadians Fight and Die For?

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The debate over the Afghan mission has me wondering about something. While I charitably characterize those opposed to it as either wimps, whiners or, worse, closet Taliban and al Qaeda sympathizers there must be some Canadians who are willing to put their lives and treasure on the line for something?

Would it be for a hunk of rock in the Arctic? Oil? Friends? Family? Lofty ideals such as justice? Or is there nothing that you're willing to spend money and spill blood for aside from pursuits such as sports?
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fighting forest fires, saving people from floods, rescuing people at sea, finding people lost in the wilderness

all acceptable
At the risk of stating the obvious, I would think most Canadians would prove to be fierce defenders if, say, their lands were being invaded by hostile forces. I think they could pull away from their iPods, widescreen TVs and HD long enough to take the necessary measures to repel said forces. That said, I hope we never get a chance to test that hypothesis.
Beer. :D

This question asks for a blanket assumption about all Canadians' willingness to die. It depends on the person, their personal situation (married with children or single), their personal feelings about the government. It also depends on whether they are in the armed forces or not, where you are expected to fight and maybe die if ordered.

A person may not want to sacrifice even their time to defend the country, but could jump into the harbour to save a drowning dog.

One never knows, do one?
fighting forest fires, saving people from floods, rescuing people at sea, finding people lost in the wilderness

all acceptable
"Fight and Die For"...try to stick with the argument will you?

Where's my cat-herding stick???
Personally, I view violence as the last refuge of the incompetent, and would avoid fighting unless all other options were exhausted. And even then, the only motivations I could imagine provoking me to violence of any kind would be direct threats to myself or my family.

However, if what you're asking is under what circumstances do I think we, as Canadians should allow our government to order our military into combat, I'd also restrict that to direct threats to Canada as a default. I think a debate in Parliament followed by a free vote should be used to decide other deployments.

Cheers.

P.S. You're free to think of me as a 'wimp'... I'd much rather be a wimp than an idiot.
Personally, I view violence as the last refuge of the incompetent
Tell that to the governments and soldiers of WW2.

And even then, the only motivations I could imagine provoking me to violence of any kind would be direct threats to myself or my family.
What about your neighbours, or friends? If you are unwilling to step up for them, you truly are a coward.

However, if what you're asking is under what circumstances do I think we, as Canadians should allow our government to order our military into combat, I'd also restrict that to direct threats to Canada as a default.
So while another friendly country on the other side of the world is under siege from a foreign invader, asking the world for help, you would throw your arms up and say "Not my problem! Sorry!"? Wow, how can you even call yourself Canadian?

I think a debate in Parliament followed by a free vote should be used to decide other deployments.
As it should be. No argument here.

P.S. You're free to think of me as a 'wimp'... I'd much rather be a wimp than an idiot.
It's possible to be both.

What would I fight and die for? Any attack on freedom in a free country, which calls for armed conflict.
"Fight and Die For"...try to stick with the argument will you?

Where's my cat-herding stick???
then add defend canadian soil from invaders on cdn. soil

i see you're trying to BJ the question so that you get the results you want, but we're still in a free country (unless harpo et al win a majority - which I only have one bet from FINK-NOTTLE on so far despite my open offer to take on all bets) and we're still able to not be "herded" into the boxes you desire
So while another friendly country on the other side of the world is under siege from a foreign invader, asking the world for help, you would throw your arms up and say "Not my problem! Sorry!"? Wow, how can you even call yourself Canadian?
What about internal strife such as Rwanda and Darfur?
Agreed! :D :clap:
This question asks for a blanket assumption about all Canadians' willingness to die. It depends on the person, their personal situation (married with children or single), their personal feelings about the government. It also depends on whether they are in the armed forces or not, where you are expected to fight and maybe die if ordered.

A person may not want to sacrifice even their time to defend the country, but could jump into the harbour to save a drowning dog.

One never knows, do one?
I think this is a very perceptive assessment. What one is prepared to give all for does depend a lot on situation. The blanket question is a bit unfair (no flaming pls) because it is too general. On a situation by situation basis, I can think up a lot of scenarios that I would be prepared to go to the wall for... home and family, obviously but others are more difficult. For example, usually I am very wary of walking/standing on the 2 lane highway around here, but coming across a crashed/injured motorcyclist I found myself standing in the middle of the highway in the dark flagging down trucks without really thinking about it - a gut response.

Other situations are more intellectualised. For example, I firmly support the idea that the Taliban/al'Qeda need to be stopped, that citizens of the world have a responsibility... I'd go myself if the powers-that-be would accept a 61 year old in full knowledge of the potential for death.

A pretty complicated question really.
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What about internal strife such as Rwanda and Darfur?
the U.S. doesn't consider that a problem

welcome to a post 9/11 world
What about internal strife such as Rwanda and Darfur?
Genocide, absolutely we have to step in.

Just plain old political civil war? Definitely not.

Since the conflicts in Rwanda and Darfur are considered genocides, then yes, we need step in, remove the existing government, and end the conflict.
Genocide, absolutely we have to step in.

Just plain old political civil war? Definitely not.

Since the conflicts in Rwanda and Darfur are considered genocides, then yes, we need step in, remove the existing government, and end the conflict.
and what would YOU do if an ally of this country, and largest trading partner, invaded another country that never attacked them, killing tens of thousands of civilians and used lies as a pretext for that invasion?

would you still support a war that this country was involved in?
What about your neighbours, or friends? If you are unwilling to step up for them, you truly are a coward.
Either that or I recognize how utterly useless I would be in any kind of physical conflict. ;)

Humans have a strong evolutionarily programmed instinct for violence. It's how we've kept our population under control since we outsmarted our predators.

Nevertheless, fighting almost never solves any problems, and almost invariably creates more. The first and often only priority should be to prevent armed hostility from occurring. When it has already started, the only useful contribution I can see Canada making is as part of an International Peace-keeping force that serves to stabilize a ceasefire.

Getting rid of organizations like the Taliban is going to require decades of internationally-coordinated social engineering: Don't buy their heroin (we can grow our own), broadcast lots of western media and free educational programming into their airwaves, surround and inundated them with examples of the wealth and freedom enjoyed by citizens of western democracies and let their own human nature overthrow the theocratic rule of small-minded zealots.

In contrast, bombing the crap out of their subsistence-living, killing their children and trying to force them to change is just going to drive them into the arms of the leaders they know, regardless of how much they may not have liked them in the past.

Cheers
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What would I fight and die for? Any attack on freedom in a free country, which calls for armed conflict.
Many countries out of that loop. Lots of not-so-free countries out there and that's where much of the suffering is.
Bryanc is the Dr. Smith of the Jupiter 2!
Citizens of any country will fight and die for whatever cause their leaders can brainwash them into believing.
Better they should battle for supremacy using the powers of the mind.
I'd fight a die for Poutine.


//Somebody had to say it, Might as well have been me.
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