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I have been a life long PC addict, building my own PC's, fixing them for money etc etc. I even took 3 years of computer science.

I have caught the bug however and wish to upgrade my work computer to a Mac.

I own 5 websites and do this full-time, so I am continually building new sites, updating them, doing ALOT of Internet surfing and research, email etc etc.

I open/close many many programs constantly so I want a PC that is very responsive with, I guess, lots of cache.

I currently use a 2.4ghz P4 800mhz Hyperthreading, 512mb pc3200, 120gig 8mb cache, DVD-Burner computer and it is fairly overkill for what I need. I could do fine with a normal 1.8ghz, 512mb, 40gig hd pretty easily.

I have done LOTS of reading all about the Macs, but unlike most PC's from what I can tell processing power isn't everything and alot of the speed depends on the processor type, cache etc etc.

Can anybody help me out picking the Mac I need. I am looking to spend a max of $1500 and will be buying it used. I already have a 17" lcd so I do not need an iMac or anything.
 

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Get the fastest G4 tower you can afford - your budget should cover a pretty nice one. Get OS X and lots of RAM. It's safe to trust the Mac specialist community in Victoria - SOHO Computers on Douglas would be a good choice. It would also be an excellent idea to join VMUG, the Victoria Mac Users Group. They generally meet on the 2nd Wednesday of the month at the Pro Pats Legion on Gorge Road. See www.vmug.bc.ca for more information and meeting times.

Cheers :-> Bill
 

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Hey sounds like you should get a PowerMac, as far as a G5 or G4, I say either dual G4 or single G5 should work out well. If you decide to get a G5 defiently wait until panther (10.3) is released since it really shows what it is capable of with panther(10.3).
 

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But doesn't getting a dual G4 or a single G5 sound like overkill?? It is not like I am doing video editing.

I am using dreamweaver for web design, email, FTP, internet surfing, spreadsheets, etc etc. Plus the odd graphics maybe once a week. Along with some personal stuff like p2p, mp3's, divx movies etc. BUT, I am on the computer 8 - 12hrs per day so I do want something that will not frustrate me as I wait. I LIKE instant.

I have been looking at the 800mhz range quicksilvers etc. Is that not fast enough? I really have no idea about Mac's I just know that a 1.6ghz or so Pentium with 512mb would serve me fine if I went PC.
 

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I suggested a high-end mac based on your PC, If you don't need something that fast, then you should probably look instead at the single G4 towers. You can get a new 1.25 ghz for $1755 with specs like this:

1.25GHz PowerPC G4
1MB L3 cache
256MB DDR333 SDRAM
80GB Ultra ATA drive
Combo Drive
ATI Radeon 9000 Pro

I recommend getting another stick of 512 ram right after you get it, as Mac OS X loves ram, and needs lots of it.
 

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for that kind of money I would go for a quicksilver tower. if it is mostly web design a quicksilver would be perfect. if ram type is important go for an entry level mirror door (ddr instead of sd ram). said this i hope noise isn't problem. i do some web work as well and i am using a 700mhz imac, it works well with dreamweaver, but it's quite slow if you're using photoshop and imageready.
 

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I say either dual G4 or single G5 should work out well. If you decide to get a G5 defiently wait until panther (10.3) is released since it really shows what it is capable of with panther(10.3).
With a $1500.00 budget, I don't think a G5 in even in sight, especially since they start at $2799.99.


Getting back to the topic, I would suggest a 867 MHz dual-processor MDD G4, and then hop up the RAM to 512 MB (DDR PC2700) or more and you're all set. With dual CPU's, tons of RAM and Mac OS X, you won't regret it. Having dual processor's almost insures you won't have any major slow downs, especially since Mac OS X takes full advantage of dual processors. Believe me, it's not over kill - it's just right. ;)
 

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HI there, I would recommend a dual 800 like mine (it's not for sale!) but it is a nice fast machine..even a dual 500 would be really nice...the reason I say dual is because Panther will take real advantage of Dual cpu machine more so than Jaguar..and we will all see quite an increase in speed from what I have read and heard about panther..nothing wrong with a single 733 or up..but dual is my weapon of choice :D
 

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With the G5's shipping, the deals on used and discontinued Macs will just keep getting better for quite a while. Example...
On the weekend, my friend walked into a London Drugs, offered $1400.00 for one of their last G4/1.0 GHz mirrored drive door towers and they accepted. He wanted it solely for the Final Cut Express promotion for new Macs. Now he is selling the computer for a bit less than the total price he paid... $1500.00.

To put that into perspective, a G4/867 single sold for $1600.00 in June, just before the Apple keynote announcing the G5. That 867 is likely worth around $1100.00 now, and it's a nice, capable machine. Although the G4/1.0 is significantly better for the extra cost, especially considering it's brand new.

My point is, don't underestimate the value of a one year warranty if buying new fits the budget. Also, shop around, and barter, you'll likely get a very nice deal in today's Mac market.

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If you don't mind another voice, for your $1500 budget definitely go with the G4. Dual if you can. But for what you're doing (i.e. Dreamweaver, light graphics work, etc) anything in that price range will do you fine. I have a G3 bumped up to 500 MHZ and those applications work fine for me at that level.

The kicker is OS X is a memory hog. That's why everyone is pushing duals and RAM. Even when I tested a G5 I noticed a slight lag when opening programs which I don't get with much older pc at work with a mere 128MB of RAM (this may shock you at first). You can see what I mean by testing a Mac at any computer store. OS 9 would be MUCH faster but it doesn't have the stability of OS X. Take your pick.
 

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Alright turns out I am buying a:

733mhz Digital Audio
1024 ram
40gig hd
16x CDRW
Keyboard/Mouse
OS 9/10

I am getting it for $1200Canadian

Other than the cpu it seems more than enough. When I receive it I am putting a 120gig hd into it.

I am looking at upgrading the cpu with a Sonnet Encore/ST. I am leaning toward a 1.2ghz as that seems to be the best performance/cost ratio.

Does this sound all fine?

Does anybody know where in Canada I can buy these cpu upgrades inexpensively. All the places I have found in Canada have SUPER expensive prices. I can buy from the US and even after conversion, shipping, taxes, duty etc I still save $100 odd dollars.
 

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The problem with your model is it's not making economic sense. A 1.2 processor will cost around $600 + tax and that puts you OVER a new 1.25 which has a faster bus, more drive bays and much better video card.

The 1.25 single is terrific value. your 733 deal is only so so.
IF you do go that route we'd be interested in the 733 processor but for your work as said before the 1.25 is a better deal. :cool:



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Well figuring it out according to the apple.ca website mine is a considerable better deal.

For $1799 + tax = ~$2060

I get:
1.25GHz PowerPC G4
1MB L3 cache
256MB DDR333 SDRAM
80GB Ultra ATA drive
Combo Drive
ATI Radeon 9000 Pro
Add an extra $150 to make it 1gig of ram based on my pricing.

So a total of approx. $2200 Canadian

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OR for $1200 I get
733mhz
1 GIG PC133 ram
40gig HD
Combo Drive
Geforce Video Card
Add an extra $600 Canadian for a 1.2ghz 2mb cache cpu and get around $200 back for my 733mhz.

It works out to be about $1600 for this system. I could then throw a large drive in and sell my 40gig for an extra $50 or so.

So for about $1650 I get a system that is almost exact except the memory bus isn't as fast and no warrenty.

Am I missing something, it seems I am saving about $550 and getting a system ALMOST as fast.

Aaron
 

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I design equipment used in the mfg of semiconductors, so I do some 3D modelling, video and web page stuff.
I also like to play games in my spare time (58 fps for Unreal on my eMac). I researched the performance/cost ratio for about 2 months.
My eMac 1Ghz with Superdrive and 1 Gig of Ram does everything I need. The whole pkg cost about $2900, and that includes the overpriced acrylic stand and the overpriced Applecare and the new 3 button mouse I had to buy.and the taxes!!
It's faster than a 1Ghz iMac, and if you are like me, you may prefer the amazing flatscreen CRT over an LCD. That may be a personal preference though. I find colour correction on an LCD almost impossible in Photoshop, and I have been using it since it first came out.
 

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aaron123, where are you getting that 1,2Ghz upgrade for $600.00?! :eek:
 
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