Two more iPhone Questions

Did Apple announce a date for Europe?

In any case, assume that the AT&T iPhone is locked to AT&T, until there is a reputable announcement that it can be unlocked--if such an announcement ever comes. We're not dealing with a regular cell phone here.

European Announcement...

Mac Rumors: Apple to Partner with O2 in UK, Orange in France, No 3G?

Rogers and iPhone

I have no knowledge of the inner workings but it would seem to me that being the only service that could handle iPhone in Canada that Rogers thinks that they can play hard ball with Apple on the term of service. This is typical Rogers arrogance to the market place and frankly I think that Steve could care less if the iPhone was in Canuckistan or not . Rogers will agree to his terms in the long term or we will wait until Steve releases a Bell/Telus compatible phone in 2008/2009

Just my humble opinion

Vodophone made the same error in Europe and lost to Deutch Telecom in Germany and some other in the UK and France is up for grabs

emalen said:

European Announcement...

Mac Rumors: Apple to Partner with O2 in UK, Orange in France, No 3G?

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I didn't see an announcement there. A contract rumoured to be signed imminently, that's it.

1. If I were to obtain an iPhone and use the wifi/ipod/organizer functions for now, when Rogers finally releases the iPhone, do you think I can use the AT&T phone as long as I get a rogers sim card?

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This is very unlikely. Normal throw-away cell phones provided by Rogers or AT&T are locked to their own networks, so it's unlikely that the iPhone would be any different.

It's doubtful that an out-of-the-box unmodified AT&T iPhone will ever take a Rogers SIM card. Unless or until somebody manages to unlock the iPhone, there's a pretty big risk that an AT&T iPhone wouldn't ever work on Rogers.

The fact that it won't now is probably a good indication of that, in fact. Although it's theoretically possible for Apple to change the SIM requirements via the firmware update to allow both carriers, it's much more likely that the version they produce for Rogers will simply be locked to Rogers.

This is standard operating procedure for North American cell phone carriers, and it's unlikely that they'll treat the iPhone any differently than any other phone they sell.

emalen said:

1. If I were to obtain an iPhone and use the wifi/ipod/organizer functions for now, when Rogers finally releases the iPhone, do you think I can use the AT&T phone as long as I get a rogers sim card?

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How would anyone here know?

emalen said:

2. Now that Europe's got a street date... when do we think we're going to get a Canadian announcement. Knowing how 'important' Apple views the Canadian market... before or after Norway?

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How would anyone here know?

Seriously, the constant deluge of "What if" and "Do you think" questions about the iPhone is really frickin' irritating.

It's not available in the Canadian market yet. Period.

guytoronto,

the endless speculation's fun and therapeutic.

We're just simple apple fanboys (and girls) trying to get through a difficult time.

It's tough having our friends in the US shoving their iPhones in our faces daily all the while we're stuck with our lameO moto razr's

emalen said:

guytoronto,

the endless speculation's fun and therapeutic.

We're just simple apple fanboys (and girls) trying to get through a difficult time.

It's tough having our friends in the US shoving their iPhones in our faces daily all the while we're stuck with our lameO moto razr's

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You're in Toronto and eligible to be on Rogers HSPDA network. Get a 3.5G phone and throw *that* in their lovely iPhone-owning faces.

emalen said:

European Announcement...

Mac Rumors: Apple to Partner with O2 in UK, Orange in France, No 3G?

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Apparently you need to look up the meaning of the term "rumour".. namely "A current story passing from one person to another, without any known authority for its truth"

AT&T historically will unlock a phone on request after you've been a customer in good standing for a period of time (months to a year). Often this is done to allow use of other carriers to avoid roaming fees.

While they do not seem to offer this for iPhone, it may come to pass.

Alternatively, you could wait for a third party to come up with an unsupported unlock approach. This is inevitable (no device is hack proof), but the question is time and barrier to entry.