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It's the method, not the specific timing. Evacuate non-military personnel first, destroy or remove weaponry as you go, dismantle and destroy military bases. Retaliate against attacks occurring while you withdraw. Leave in orderly fashion under military cover.

So if now is not a good time to get out of Afghanistan, when would have been better?
 

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So if now is not a good time to get out of Afghanistan, when would have been better?
I would say not negotiating with the terrorists inviting them to camp David and setting ridiculous timelines with no plan would have been a start. Do you remember a time when 'negotiating with terrorists' was a bad thing? ;)

Short answer is, there isn't a good time. Whatever president in power with this preset debacle was going to get hung with this. Just as Obama was in Iraq. But it's all politics. Now you have "armies" of pseudo military intelligence officers offering useless platitudes of what should have, or would have happened should their guy be in power. "Leave in orderly fashion under military cover."? LOL ok colonel macfury...

If you recall, Trump took credit for defeating ISIS when he had very little to do with that whatsoever beyond a bunch of fiery rhetoric that his supporters ate up. The truth was, there was a great deal of planning and it was the Iraqi army with the help of American logistics and air support that went in and faced the bullets of ISIS directly and was already pretty much there by the time Trump took power.

But people are idiots and just want empty political platitudes to make themselves feel better, it's best really to simply ignore the windups and nonsense and see this for what it really is. A total quagmire started by republican war hawks under Bush, and no president wanted to be the one to be in Biden's shoes right now. Trump would have had an army of republican drones everywhere praising Trump who 'got us out of an unwinable foreign war" (which the republicans got us into) and his supporters were primed to look past any debacle that would have occurred, and it would have make no mistake. And there would have been an endless humanitarian disaster played out on cable news for the rest of us, so anyone pretending that this would have been better under Trump is quite simply, lying, or, just really really gullible.
 

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Long overdue. Should have hanged years ago. And look! It's Jug Ears' fault again!

SHOCKER: 9/11 Masterminds Finally Go on Trial—20 Years After the Attack

Just days before the 20th anniversary of their murderous handiwork, a military tribunal in Guantánamo Bay on Tuesday resumed the much-interrupted and multiply postponed trial of five masterminds of the 9/11 jihad attacks: Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Walid bin Attash, Ramzi bin al-Shibh, Ammar al-Baluchi, and Mustafa al Hawsawi. It’s understandable if you thought these men had been tried, convicted, and sentenced long ago; after all, it has been two decades since their crime. What has taken so long?
 

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"Jug Ears" actually killed Osama Bin Laden, the real reason for all those wars. But then Iraq! Oh but now yer all against the Iraq invasion after having defended it because Trump.

Hard to keep up with the far right's flip flopping.
 
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