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Those guys have done their job wiping this place out. And now their whole political nonsense has come to roost for them. Even they know their asses have been handed to them and then some. Im just having a little fun mimicking their posting style back at them. Not as fun now is it!
 

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Notice that not one of the war hawks turned America first! Are around to whine about Afghanistan?

america first if trump does it. Surrender, if Biden does it.

remember when negotiating with ‘terrorists’ was a bad thing? That’s also only bad if a Democrat does it. Okey Dokey that Trump negotiated this disaster for a May withdrawal.
 

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The US and A is so divided right now, even more than Canada. I don’t know how anyone is supposed to bring people together again under a common banner. Usually it takes some kind of common external threat. CoVid could have been that, but it’s become politicized as well.
 

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We live in a world where it's ok to lie and hush up an insurrection on the capitol. Is this not a red flag? Never mind the unbelievable stupidity of the last president. But just saying those two rather obvious things, immediately squares off into, us and them. Both there, and here, as we go through a likely relatively expensive and rather useless election campaign to see it even more plainly, we end up with mediocre government. At the present time, I see the liberal party here, as simply the less shitty version of the conservatives. When I see people squabbling about who spends more, who wastes more, who has what scandals and O EM GEE so so needs to be in prison, but no one seems to take notice of the fact that we are all being played.

But you will see the same numbskull arguments flare up every election (and in between) and then the snipes and wind ups. Maybe I'll pull a Colbert and play a die hard conservative. I bet I could play one real well and make some poor 'socialists' life hell for a bit.

Noble huh? ;)
 

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It takes a system that promotes fredom. Not ever more fine-tuned government intervention. Most differences are solved by allowing people to act in their own best interests. Federal mandates make that next to impossible.

The US and A is so divided right now, even more than Canada. I don’t know how anyone is supposed to bring people together again under a common banner. Usually it takes some kind of common external threat. CoVid could have been that, but it’s become politicized as well.
 

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It takes a system that promotes fredom. Not ever more fine-tuned government intervention. Most differences are solved by allowing people to act in their own best interests. Federal mandates make that next to impossible.
I disagree. If there’s a big enough outside existential threat, like CoVid should have been, people will put aside their differences and fight for a common cause. But CoVid became politicized and now it’s become about “freedom” and “government overreach” when the virus could really care less about which way you vote.
 

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"Freedom" from what? I often hear the word freedom tossed around but rarely, is it really well defined. I have come to suspect that "freedom", is often used as a word to describe what a group of people disagree with, and don't want any part of.

The truth is, if one were to poll Canadians for something like, for example, health care, I think people's concern would be less about 'freedom', and a desire to not only maintain our universal healthcare but improve and expand on it. And that is just one example. There are likely, many more.

Freedom, conceptually, is what everyone wants. Regardless of what politic you prefer. But the definition seems to change, although people like to pretend theirs is the only one, true brand of "freedom".
 

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COVID is not a big, exisential threat to a large group of people. Even assuming that this is a universal perception is part of a political bias.

I disagree. If there’s a big enough outside existential threat, like CoVid should have been, people will put aside their differences and fight for a common cause. But CoVid became politicized and now it’s become about “freedom” and “government overreach” when the virus could really care less about which way you vote.
 

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COVID is not a big, exisential threat to a large group of people. Even assuming that this is a universal perception is part of a political bias.
I guess it depends where you get your information from. I know a great many people who believe the pandemic is a hoax, but believing that does not make it so. I am aware that my beliefs are absolutely influenced by the MSM, but I’d rather be influenced by them than some of the whack job sites I’ve seen these conspiracy people refer to.
 

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"Freedom" from what? I often hear the word freedom tossed around but rarely, is it really well defined. I have come to suspect that "freedom", is often used as a word to describe what a group of people disagree with, and don't want any part of.

The truth is, if one were to poll Canadians for something like, for example, health care, I think people's concern would be less about 'freedom', and a desire to not only maintain our universal healthcare but improve and expand on it. And that is just one example. There are likely, many more.

Freedom, conceptually, is what everyone wants. Regardless of what politic you prefer. But the definition seems to change, although people like to pretend theirs is the only one, true brand of "freedom".
There are many who seem to equate freedom with “don’t tell me what to do.” But they miss the point that having a pandemic continue because of a lack of herd immunity also impacts the “freedom” of everyone.
 

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Few people believe it's a hoax, but many people see the odds as well in their favour of either never getting it, or surviving it. They may also not trust large pharmaceutical companies who are offering medications rushed through trials. They don't share your idea of the odds.

I guess it depends where you get your information from. I know a great many people who believe the pandemic is a hoax, but believing that does not make it so. I am aware that my beliefs are absolutely influenced by the MSM, but I’d rather be influenced by them than some of the whack job sites I’ve seen these conspiracy people refer to.
 

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I think you have a really optimistic view of how many think as you do macfury. A much larger majority of adults have chosen to take the vaccine, while a smaller number of people have either allowed misinformation to make them hesitate, or, an even smaller number of those who not only believe the nonsense about a ‘rushed experimental vaccine that we don’t know the ingredients’ or whatever line they’re passing on social media these days, but are actively pushing it.

I realize that you have indicated that this is a ‘large group’, but in reality, relatively speaking, it isn’t. And I think you’ve also indicated that that group are ones who ‘think for themselves’. Perhaps they have thought for themselves and decided to not take the vaccine, for whatever reasons both valid or not, but one cannot argue that the majority of people who took the vaccine, also didn’t not ‘think for themselves’ and decided to do so.

I think it’s important step away from this sort of thing to gain a better and more accurate perspective.
 

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There are many who seem to equate freedom with “don’t tell me what to do.” But they miss the point that having a pandemic continue because of a lack of herd immunity also impacts the “freedom” of everyone.
They are so focused on their own selves that they haven’t been able to understand the greater impact their decisions have on others. Further, at this time, no one has forced anyone to take the vaccine, and that isn’t likely to happen in future. But, based on science and facts, they will likely restrict those who are not vaccinated and pose a risk to others from entering most indoor public buildings. At some point, the rest of us would like to go back to normal. If they don’t wish to, well, that’s indeed, their choice!
 
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