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Much in here I didn't realize o the impact on food supply - including in Canada.

New crops needed to avoid famines
By Richard Black
Environment correspondent, BBC News website


Experimental biotech rice strains can survive prolonged submergence
The global network of agricultural research centres warns that famines lie ahead unless new crop strains adapted to a warmer future are developed.

The Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research (CGIAR) says yields of existing varieties will fall.

New forecasts say warming will shrink South Asia's wheat area by half.

CGIAR is announcing plans to accelerate efforts aimed at developing new strains of staple crops including maize, wheat, rice and sorghum.

At the network's annual meeting in Washington, scientists will also report on measures to reduce greenhouse gas emissions from farmland.


We're talking about the return to large-scale famines in developing countries
Louis Verchot
"We're talking about a major challenge here," said Louis Verchot of the World Agroforestry Centre (Icraf) in Kenya, a member institute of CGIAR.

"We're talking about challenges that have to be dealt with at every level, from ideas about social justice to the technology of food production," he told the BBC News website.

"We're talking about large scale human migration and the return to large-scale famines in developing countries, something which we decided 40 or 50 years ago was unacceptable and did something about."

The most significant impact of climate change on agriculture is probably changes in rainfall. Some regions are forecast to receive more rain, others to receive less; above all, it will become more variable.


The water supply to farms will become more variable in future
But increasing temperatures can also affect crops. Photosynthesis slows down as the thermometer rises, which also slows the plants' growth and capacity to reproduce.

Research published two years ago shows rice yields are declining by 10% for every degree Celsius increase in night-time temperature.

A study from the International Maize and Wheat Improvement Center (Cimmyt) in Mexico, yet to be published, projects a major decline in South Asia's wheat yield. The vast Indo-Gangetic plain produces about 15% of the world's wheat - but the area suitable for growing is forecast to shrink by about half over the next 50 years, even as the number of mouths to feed increases.
there's more - a good read
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6200114.stm

and for Canada



Alaska as the only remaining wheat producer for the US !!!!!! :eek:

"It's much easier to solve a problem before we get to a crisis. With climate change we're definitely talking about a crisis, and it's coming within our lifetimes."
 

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Another global warming thread? Sweet.
 

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On the other hand...we will be RICH!
 

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This is likely one of the better looks at the costs right NOW that are hitting parts of North America

A Dream Blown Away
Climate Change Already Has a Chilling Effect on Where Americans Can Build Their Homes
By Joel Garreau
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, December 2, 2006; Page C01


A place near the water has been an American dream for a very long time. Fifty-four percent of Americans live within 50 miles of a coast.

This is the year, however, in which the big boys in global finance got religion about climate change. As a result, this American dream -- as far north as the Washington area, and even New York and New England -- is under attack.


This is the Midwest? The South Haven, Mich., pier and lighthouse during a 1998 storm with near-hurricane force winds. (By Taya Kashuba -- Kalamazoo Gazette Via Associated Press)

Follow the money. Insurance doesn't sound like a world-changer. It seems so banal and prosaic, like reliable electricity or clean water.

Yet without it -- you want a place to live? You cannot get a mortgage without insurance.

You want a job? A commercial enterprise cannot run without insurance.

Never want a drink of water / Til the well runs dry. / Never miss a real good thing / Til he says good-bye.

Turns out you don't have to wait for the waves to lap around your ankles. The climate is changing, Lord knows exactly how fast. But the money is moving pretty quickly.

Call 2006 the Batten Down the Hatches Moment.
5 well written pages - I'd hate to be a home owner under those conditions - what a bind - stay put and risk it all with no insurance or lose the dream.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/01/AR2006120101759.html

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Go play in the kiddies box MF - you've demonstrated your mental age quite remarkably, no need to embarrass yourself further.
 

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It's looking at the price of insurance, not the costs of global warming.

The cost of replacing property continues to rise, as doesthe number of people claiming. Coastal areas tradiaitonally have a high incidence of property damage. The insurance industry now has a reason to raise the price of insurance to reflect the risk of living in flood prone areas.

Now be a nice Doc and move all of this to the official GHG category, created just for your many global warming topics.
 

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No excuses

Shell CEO berates America for spurning Kyoto

JIM KRANE
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DUBAI, UNITED ARAB EMIRATES — The chief executive for Shell berated Washington on Monday for spurning the United Nation's Kyoto agreement on global warming, saying U.S. backing for a global regulatory framework would create incentives for oil companies to reduce carbon dioxide emissions.

“For us as a company, the debate about CO2 is over. We've entered a debate about what we can do about it,” Royal Dutch Shell PLC chief Jeroen Van Der Veer told a gathering of hundreds of political and business leaders from the Middle East and elsewhere.

Mr. Van Der Veer was asked by an American attending the Arab Strategy Forum whether the energy company's business plans were being hurt by the global backlash against global warming, and the carbon dioxide emissions from burning oil-based fuels considered the prime cause.

Mr. Van Der Veer said energy companies would be ready to partner with governments to solve the carbon problem if there was a worldwide framework to bind governments to the same standards. He said Kyoto protocol, which focuses on 35 industrial countries, was a good start.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20061204.wshell1204/BNStory/Business/home

Somebody email a copy of this to Stelmach and Harper :mad:
 

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Follow the money--and put these posts in the official GHG thread.
 

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It would be easier is MF just ignored these post or discussed the issues at hand (if so inclined). Instead we get his contribution to hot air...
 

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I don't know what the GHG thread is, but I for one am glad MacDoc posted the link to this article in a thread that attracted my attention! I already emailed it to several friends who are interested in global warming impacts and may not have seen the Washington Post story.
 

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I don't know what the GHG thread is, but I for one am glad MacDoc posted the link to this article in a thread that attracted my attention! I already emailed it to several friends who are interested in global warming impacts and may not have seen the Washington Post story.
Hint: GHG = Green House Gas. :)
 

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For MF et al......'bout right.



Dr. Fox - if you wish to observe puerile denial at it's very finest be sure to visit the Official GHG thread. Some find shelter in grade 4 humour when they can't defend their position.
Neither global climate change nor this thread will go away......the "chattering class" might we could hope.

BTW for those that may not know Dr. Fox.

http://www.trentu.ca/academic/ers/Fox.shtml

I was also surprised to find an article of that scope in the Washington Post. Glad you found it useful and it was circulated. Maybe Stern was wrong.......on the low side for costs......and much sooner than anticipated. :(
 

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Update on this Super Typhoon a month for 4 months running now.

The death toll is now over 1000 and rising - the typhoon came ashore with winds at 165 mph .......265 kph for the math challenged.
If that had hit Manilla :( !!!
By comparison Katrina was 140 mph.
New Orleans 1/10th the size of Manilla.

In the "If you ignore it will go away"......NOT!!...category

The winner is



Durian was the fourth super typhoon-category
storm to hit the Phillippines in four months


Philippine typhoon 'kills dozens'

Red Cross officials in the Philippines say 146 people have been killed in a mudslide as the country begins to count the cost of Typhoon Durian.

The storm, the fourth deadly super typhoon to hit the Philippines in as many months, brought flooding and landslides to large areas in the north and east of the country overnight on Thursday.

Most of the dead and injured are thought to have been caught in a mudslide of volcanic debris which engulfed a village on the foothills of the Mount Mayon volcano.

Rescue officials are having difficulty accessing the area because roads have been washed out by the storm.

The army says it is sending soldiers to help with rescue efforts. Durian made landfall on Thursday, battering coastal areas with winds of 250km and hour and gusting over 300km an hour.

Manila spared

The storm was initially feared to be on course to pass over Manila, the Philippine capital, a city of some 12 million people.

But it changed course overnight, sparing the city from the worst effects of the storm before it reached into the South China Sea.

In September Typhoon Xangsane left around 200 people dead and missing with clean-up work still far from finished.

Damage to transport links and crops from Xangsane and other storms this year has already had a noticeable impact on the Philippine economy, depressing third quarter growth figures.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/80F4435A-A74A-465B-98F0-F67D4E27E25C.htm

FOUR SUPER TYPHOONS IN FOUR MONTHS!!!! :eek:

Lot of energy in the Pacific this year........just ask BC.

If that monster had nailed Manilla dead on - would have made Katrina look like a cakewalk.

and in the Stern Report -totalling the costs.

Damage to transport links and crops from Xangsane and other storms this year has already had a noticeable impact on the Philippine economy, depressing third quarter growth figures.
Pay me now....or pay me ..BIG TIME....later.

Later...is arriving far sooner than expected.
 

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MacFury, if you don't have anything useful to contribute to the discussion, please simply refrain from posting.

We all understand that, like the proverbial ostrich, you prefer to pretend this problem doesn't exist and hope it goes away, so by all means, ignore those of us who hope to understand the issues better and discuss ways of mitigating the damage.

Maybe you can find some people who agree with you if you go hang out with creationists, flat-earthers, or holocaust-deniers. But those of us living in the reality-based community would like to have a productive discussion, so please stop interfering.
 

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The church of the GHG? Sorry, but none of these forums is labelled "for true believers only."

Comparing me to a "holacaust denier" is offensive. Why do you feel the need to elevate my disagreement with the severity of the global warming problem with the murder of millions of Jews? I suggest you remove that part of your post, apologize, then carry on.
 

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This thread discusses catastrophe in general and what the affects of climate change are. The official GHG thread, while having a humourous flatulence theme running through it (relax guys, there's more to life than fear) did raise a number of issues including: Stephane Dion's climate change plan, carbon sequestration opportunity and, building on the flatulence theme, how countries (New Zealand example) face a different challenge than Canada due to their relative large livestock industry. It's got more policy stuff in it and a good dose of humour.

GHGs don't have to show up in every political thread; they don't always have to show up in the form of condemnation and fear; and it's ok to have some fun.

MF: We could continue with the sequestration discussion if you don't want to positively contribute to this fearsomely excellent thread.
 

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this fearsomely excellent thread.
...it is a pretty fearsomely excellent tree fort...er...thread.
 

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It has nothing to do with "fear" and everything to do with prompting governments to action over a growing problem.

Regardless of the topic if you can't contribute in a meaningful manner to it then shut up and quit adding to the inane noise level.

Many of us don't find it humorous in the least and if MF gets dissed for it by scientists who are in a far better position than him to make a judgement he deserves it.

Time and again he has been asked to defend his position and he changes the subject or belittles the poster or the article.

You have a GHG thread you can cavort and chuckle in to your heart's content.
Do so. MF is like a sulky little boy throwing a tantrum and deserves the same amount of respect that engenders.

This IS a growing holocaust of our own making and denying it is criminal. :mad:
 

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It has nothing to do with "fear" and everything to do with prompting governments to action over a growing problem.
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You have a GHG thread you can cavort and chuckle in to your heart's content.
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This IS a growing holocaust of our own making and denying it is criminal. :mad:
Those aren't mutually exclusive concepts. "War on Terror" etc. Even for a good cause (safety, security, well-being etc.), overstatement and over-attribution creates a huge risk of cyncial rejection. It becomes very easy to question climate change in a calm year when, in the previous year, every big event was tied to it.
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A problem was that you were making many threads a GHG thread. Does that count as positive contribution or hijacking? It's a fine line, so I'm not sure.
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It isn't even necessarily world problem #1. That depends on measurement and whether you use the most extreme scenarios (and for which problems). It's a big one, it can be addressed and it should be addressed.
 
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