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I hope the madness for autonomous cars ends here..
https://digg.com/2018/self-driving-uber-pedestrian-death
I personally love the idea of self driving cars. The idea of just getting in my car in the morning and sitting back and relaxing while it drives me to work is fantastic. Definitely improvements need to be made and will continue to be made as the software gets smarter.

This story makes it sound like a woman was not where she was supposed to be walking out into traffic.
"The Uber vehicle was reportedly driving early Monday when a woman walking outside of the crosswalk was struck."

Not sure if this crosswalk was at a light or what, but if so I think the car would have been slowing down to stop for a red light before the crosswalk. This of course does not make it alright as a human driver most likely would have seen her and stopped... or maybe not. A real annoyance to me is people who cross all over the place on busy roads where they are not supposed to.
 

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In or out of the crosswalk makes no difference. I frequently have to slow or stop for deer crossing the highway. Let me assure you they do not limit themselves to marked crossings, or check for oncoming traffic.

I won't get a ticket if I hit one, but at the price of airbags my car would probably be a write-off.:eek:

IOW If the algorithms fail to detect pedestrians then autonomous is not ready for prime time.
 

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The reporting could be a wee bit clearer. Was there a 2nd person on a bicycle who was also hit? Or was the woman walking her bicycle along the side of the road? The ABC15 report has video of the vehicle with a bicycle laying on the sidewalk, and behind the Uber vehicle is apparently where the victim was laying. The Verge article (2nd link on the Digg page) says authorities say no bicyclist was struck... but don't clarify its presence. The road does not appear to have any crosswalk nearby.

And... what exactly was the "Safety Driver" behind the wheel doing at the time of the crash?
 

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There was an operator in the vehicle!

Can't understand why they didn't intervene.

I hope there are criminal charges involved.

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https://www.sfchronicle.com/busines...-says-early-probe-12765481.php#photo-15257361

It appears from early police reports that no vehicle could have been expected to avoid hitting the pedestrian.

Pushing a bicycle laden with plastic shopping bags, a woman abruptly walked from a center median into a lane of traffic and was struck by a self-driving Uber operating in autonomous mode.

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From viewing the videos, “it’s very clear it would have been difficult to avoid this collision in any kind of mode (autonomous or human-driven) based on how she came from the shadows right into the roadway,” Moir said.
 

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In or out of the crosswalk makes no difference. I frequently have to slow or stop for deer crossing the highway. Let me assure you they do not limit themselves to marked crossings, or check for oncoming traffic.

I won't get a ticket if I hit one, but at the price of airbags my car would probably be a write-off.:eek:

IOW If the algorithms fail to detect pedestrians then autonomous is not ready for prime time.
agreed with what you wrote fully..
our newest auto the VW Atlas executive line / trim - has pedestrian sensors and 360 cameras - all the newest tech package.. but i will assure you i will not take the safety of the auto over my own reactions or expect technology to think for me.. has it worked since i owned it? yes and no

example one : car in front of me slammed on the brakes and the car reacted by screaming BRAKES! on the dash and slamming them on before i could..

Example two : my wife was under ground and well no more needs to be said.. she claimed none of the sensors worked.. $8K later to repair the car.

so that said technology will fail its not an if but a when. Your iPhone freezes.. your irobot vacuum gets confused your macintosh has kernel panics etc.. until that is all worked out
autonomous cars need to be off the roads..

Besides - what the heck was the Human driver doing during all this. ?
 

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aExample two : my wife was under ground and well no more needs to be said.. she claimed none of the sensors worked.. $8K later to repair the car.
Can you expand on that-what happened?


Besides - what the heck was the Human driver doing during all this. ?
The pedestrian apparently stepped in front of the vehicle from the side, so that neither human or computer could brake.
 

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Can you expand on that-what happened?
the day it happened my wife had to take one of our kids to a post surgery follow up downtown.. i mentioned to the wife dont take the atlas - it is too large take the jeep - but as a female logic goes, she didn't. the hospital in question had been under going renos in the parking - reduced lanes, narrow lanes impossible turning radiuses etc..

so based on what i gathered she wedged the atlas into a wall and shaved the side of the SUV.. no more needs to be said.. sometimes a circle will not fit in a triangle hole..

she claimed none of 360 cameras or sensors where working and no warnings.. i didn't want to turn it into a marital situation - so i had no choice, except claim it with insurance - we did call the hospital to file a complaint saying better signage before entering under ground that clearance is not existent due to construction etc.. also i phoned insurance demanding we share the accident 50/50 but the law states - you take full responsibility when you are in contact with an Inanimate object .

unfortunately some learn off their mistakes. some learn off others - in this case it was an expensive lesson for us..


The pedestrian apparently stepped in front of the vehicle from the side, so that neither human or computer could brake.
As a human i am always doing the "big picture".. especially when near cross walks one always has to assume humans are idiots and uneducated when it comes to logic and heavy objects - i drive in Downtown Toronto and near school zones regularly and sadly humans believe they have the right of way - regardless of consequence - therefore i would as a human - slow down before such an intersection..
 

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As a human i am always doing the "big picture".. especially when near cross walks one always has to assume humans are idiots and uneducated when it comes to logic and heavy objects - i drive in Downtown Toronto and near school zones regularly and sadly humans believe they have the right of way - regardless of consequence - therefore i would as a human - slow down before such an intersection..
I do the same. No camera is likely to anticipate seeing a human being because you've noticed a shadow underneath a car parked on the side of the road. But from the sound of it, this sounded more like someone stepping out on the road from an unlit area, onto a straightaway--not near an intersection.
 

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I do the same. No camera is likely to anticipate seeing a human being because you've noticed a shadow underneath a car parked on the side of the road. But from the sound of it, this sounded more like someone stepping out on the road from an unlit area, onto a straightaway--not near an intersection.
unfortunately - humans behave like they are in the open sea - marine law states that smaller objects have right of way.. some how i do disagree with that.
 

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unfortunately - humans behave like they are in the open sea - marine law states that smaller objects have right of way..


:lmao: Oh my God…!!!

Wow, where did you get that info from ??? and you obviously don't do any boating and sure didn't pass any Sailing or Power Squadron Course, or you are trying to being funny.

Try testing out that when you find a large freighter heading right for your 24' weekend cruiser and see what happens. :eek:
 

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The pedestrian apparently stepped in front of the vehicle from the side, so that neither human or computer could brake.
Even so, in a Canadian court (traffic at least) of law, the driver is considered to always be in full control of the car being driven at all times.

The court assumes if the car hit something, then the driver was not in full control. Hard to argue at times and/or under various circumstances, but that is the written law.
 

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The question was whether it would have been possible for a non-autonomous vehicle to stop in the same circumstance, given the laws of physics, which supercede Canadian Law.

Even so, in a Canadian court (traffic at least) of law, the driver is considered to always be in full control of the car being driven at all times.

The court assumes if the car hit something, then the driver was not in full control. Hard to argue at times and/or under various circumstances, but that is the written law.
 

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:lmao: Oh my God…!!!

Wow, where did you get that info from ??? and you obviously don't do any boating and sure didn't pass any Sailing or Power Squadron Course, or you are trying to being funny.

Try testing out that when you find a large freighter heading right for your 24' weekend cruiser and see what happens. :eek:
if you are powered you have to yield to non powered, if you are a bigger power boat then you have to yield to smaller ones - so you better watch out if i am out in the sea - lol
and I am captaining lol

back on topic - Humans have this ridiculous sense of the world revolves around them..
especially in downtown locations..
 

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i wonder why volvo's pedestrian avoidance didn't work.. but i get this video says it all.
https://youtu.be/IBCr-XBWZaQ


Well, I guess there was some improvement in five years when that was released compared to an earlier try:
[ame]https://youtu.be/w2pwxv8rFkU[/ame]

But I do hope it keeps improving as a lot of drivers seem to be getting worse these days and it could improve a commuters life and maybe even save them some precious time.

But they'll sure have to change a lot of driving regulations and rules as that sure entails using "electronic devices" while driving, which is currently banned. At least locally it is.
 
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