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When 42 per cent of the Canadian population, according to a recent Angus Reid poll, profess to believe that dinosaurs roamed the Earth alongside humans in recent history, a devoted Darwinian like Dr. Dawkins is compelled to take his mission more seriously than he might like.

Dr. Dawkins is inclined to say religion endures in the age of science because it is passed on from parent to child as an adaptive trait - children who listen to what their elders tell them have a better chance of staying alive than those who don't.

Keeping this in mind, he calls it "child abuse" to label children Catholics or Amish or Muslims when they are too young to have thought critically about their imposed beliefs. With typical relentlessness, he goes on to chide liberals who hesitate to join him in critiquing parental indoctrination because they're too willing to respect cultural diversity.

Spotting an opening, Mr. Manning idly pondered whether atheism's inquisitors were intent on moving in on Canada's most spiritual sector, the aboriginal peoples: "...To suggest that their children should be taken away from them and re-educated in some sort of scientific residential schools," he wrote, "would be to make a grievous mistake."

But he clearly has his limits. He takes as an example the fundamentalist Christian view that the Earth, beginning with Genesis, is 6,000 years old - a statement of faith he labels "completely childish and insane." I can't help mentioning that Canada's Minister of Public Security, Stockwell Day, has been known to express this belief in his time.

"This man is a cabinet minister?" Dr. Dawkins says incredulously, ordering me to make note of his rolling eyes. "Tell him his belief is equivalent to believing that the width of North America, from shall we say New York to San Francisco, is 7.8 yards - that's the scale of the error he's buying into. This man is the minister responsible for security? He's clearly a complete idiot - or ignorant, anyway. Ignorance by itself is no crime, but ignorance in a cabinet minister is."
Source: Globe and Mail

Also, 42% of Canadians believe man walked with Dino? :yikes:
 

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I don't blame Stokie boy at all. What would you rather believe:

Evolution

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virgin sacrifice :lmao:

 

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Of course Stockwell Day is a moron - I knew that when we lived in Alberta, long before he made it evident on a national stage.

Frankly, anyone who believes the Earth is only 6000 years old isn't playing with a full deck, but a Federal cabinet minister who believes such nonsense can do a lot more damage than ordinary folks. This "Minister of Public Safety" doesn't make me feel very safe.
 

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Stock is at least kind enough not to call you a moron.

oh really?
I recall when "Doris" was an Alberta minister and was sued for stupid comments he made, lost in court and the people of Alberta had to pony up for his stupidity.

Did you enjoy your tax dollars going to pay for his comments?

Seems Doris is not only a moron, but he gets the electorate to pay for his stupidity.

Canadian Alliance Leader Stockwell Day says he regrets that it cost Alberta taxpayers so much money to settle a defamation lawsuit against him.
But two days after details of the secret deal were made public, he told a news conference in Calgary that "at all times I've acted in good faith" in "a very long and very agonizing process."

Day called the news conference after returning to the country from a holiday in the Caribbean.

He pointed out that most of the $792,000 went to lawyers, and that legal fees in such cases are set by someone else.

"It has been particularly painful for me, it has been heartbreaking actually, deeply regretful for me, to see the costs that have been associated in this particular case," Day said Thursday.

Red Deer lawyer Lorne Goddard sued in the spring of 1999 over comments Day made about his defence of a client in a child pornography case.
Size of defamation settlement 'painful': Day
 

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Believing that the Earth is 6000 years old, and that people walked with dinosaurs is right up there with believing in the Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus, and the Easter Bunny.

People who believe these things are either extremely ignorant (like kids...they just haven't learned yet), or extremely stupid (for ignoring the massive amount of scientific data, and instead putting faith in a 1,500 year old book based on broken telephone).
 

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It's brainwashing disguised as teaching truths

I've have always said, and always will, that all organized religions' continuity/survival depends solely on the brainwashing of young minds - those who will carry the torch of ignorance and fear and, in turn, pass this on to their children, and so on.
 

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You mean the tooth fairy doesn't exist?!!!
 

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I've have always said, and always will, that all organized religions' continuity/survival depends solely on the brainwashing of young minds - those who will carry the torch of ignorance and fear and, in turn, pass this on to their children, and so on.
I prefer disorganised religion and morality. Same thing vis a vis ignorance, brainwashing and all, but relatively inept. The ineptness makes it easier to overturn although, as seen with "reefer madness", it has its own special toughness. Regardless, a major weakness is that it is prone to takeovers by organised people.
 

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And you don't "know" him either I suspect, so your point is?
My contempt for Stockwell is well-founded and personal. Without going into too much detail, as a Govt of Alberta cabinet minister he presided over the brutal "downsizing" of a large part of the civil service, including my wife. In charge of another govt ministry, this "Christian" minister attempted to eliminate the pensions relied on by thousands of extremely vulnerable handicapped people, including a close relative of mine. The idea was eventually abandoned, not because Stockwell and Ralphie thought it was heartless and cruel, but because public reaction looked like interfering with Stockwell's federal political plans. The man is scum, like all his Neo-Con buddies, including the amiable Ralphie and the wooden Harpo.
 

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I've have always said, and always will, that all organized religions' continuity/survival depends solely on the brainwashing of young minds - those who will carry the torch of ignorance and fear and, in turn, pass this on to their children, and so on.
It is stupid when ignorance and fear is passed down to children regardless what you subscribe to in life, whether you hold a belief in a higher power or are an atheist.
 

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I've have always said, and always will, that all organized religions' continuity/survival depends solely on the brainwashing of young minds - those who will carry the torch of ignorance and fear and, in turn, pass this on to their children, and so on.
Do any of you actually attend church services to find out who is going and why?

Go to a mainline denomination and you will see that most people attending are over 55...their children don't go and studies show most of those children are non-practicing. Statscan shows these denominations have been losing members since the 1960's, and Reginald Bibby's studies show they aren't going to other churches.

Go to an evangelical denomination and you will see that most people are in their mid-thirties and weren't raised in religious homes. Many of these people started attending when they were adults, many during or after university, not when they were children. Statscan shows that these denominations only started experiencing rapid growth between 1991 and 2001.

The real reason why churches fail or succeed depends entirely on the value that people get from attending and people don't give a church long to make a difference in their lives before they move on. Evangelicals churches have proven to be relevant and mainline ones have failed to be...you can tell that just by walking in the door.

With respect to the creationism issue, approximately 8 - 10% of Canadians hold evangelical beliefs and not all evangelicals are creationists. The mainline denominations and Roman Catholic Church don't have an issue with evolution and generally reject creationism. If 42% of Canadians don't accept evolution, you have a bigger problem on your hands than religion.

I see the same old comments in this thread that I see posted in other forums around the net questioning the intelligence of people who reject evolution. It was interesting back when many of my friends were attending university, how many came to me after going through the introduction to evolution segment and telling me how ridiculous it was.

These people weren't stupid and weren't religious, instead, the evolution segment of their science class just couldn't get by the critical thinking skills they were learning in philosophy class.

Maybe, instead of calling people who disagree with you "stupid and uneducated" it is time to take a long look in the mirror and try to figure out why you are failing so badly at communicating and teaching people about a basic staple of science. Good grief, they have 12 years + post secondary of uncontested school time to get this through to people and they are still failing with 42% of people. The vast majority of these kids have absolutely no religious upbringing that you think is interfering with this process.

The scientists, science teachers and science professors in this country have failed, unless you call 42% believing in creationism a success. You can think about it rationally and note that in a country where less than 20% of people go to church on a regular basis and, most who do, still attend mainline denominations and the RCC where creationism is not taught and often mocked, and begin to realize that this isn't where the problem is, but most seem interested in name calling instead. :confused:
 

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Some interesting comments zoz. Good to see you back.

First, the 42% seems very high so I checked the Angus site and found this:
http://www.angusreidstrategies.com/uploads/pages/pdfs/2007.06.19 Globe and Mail.pdf


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Over all, 59 per cent of Canadians said they believe in evolution, according to the Angus Reid poll of 1,088 adults conducted June 12-13. Twenty-two per cent agreed that "God created human beings in their present form within the last 10,000 years," and 19 per cent told pollsters they weren't sure.

Even those who say they believe in evolution may be confused about what that means exactly. The poll found 42 per cent of Canadians agree that dinosaurs and humans coexisted on earth - but evolutionary theory says non-avian dinosaurs died out about 60 million years before humans evolved in their current form.
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According to the Angus Reid poll, Canadians who are younger than 34, have an income of more than $50,000 a year or are university-educated are significantly more likely to believe in evolution.
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It seems that evolution and uncertainty are the dominant beliefs, but that a lot of people don't understand an important piece of the archaelogical evidence. The poll results make a little more sense now.

You can be taught the idea of evolution, which is interesting with neat implications, but to remember what existed when? The Flintstones are more interesting.

Age and edumacation are important factors. Not surprising.
 
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