[harroldsheep]

I had a ton of stuff sitting in storage for the last ten years and just now I have been able to access it. Imagine my smile when my old 8500 booted up with no issues. Unfortunately, the CD Drive doesn't work anymore and I'd like to get the files on the old "massive" :lmao: 1.2 GB harddrive on my more recent MacBookPro.

I went out and bought a crossover ethernet cable but cannot get either computer to show up on either's networks. I'm running Snow Leopard on the Pro and MacOS 9 on the 8500.

I'd rather not take out the drive access the data that way.

Can anyone give me some advice/help?

Thanks!
Philip.

 

[DempsyMac]

Philip I think taking the drive out would be the best and quickest option as long as you have an enclosure kicking around

 

[harroldsheep]

i do have an enclosure, but i'd still like to leave that as a last resort.

 

[Rob]

The 8500 is probably setup to use Appletalk, but I don't think Appletalk is supported in Snow Leapard (not absolutely sure about this).

I seem to recall that OS9 had the ability to use TCP/IP. Check if there's an option box for this in the Chooser.

 

[harroldsheep]

yes: it does have TCP/IP but for the life of me, even after a google, i cannot figure out the settings.

 

[Rob]

O.K., I just tried this since it's been a long time.

Here's what works:

On your 8500 go to Control Panels and select File Sharing. The file sharing window should come up.

In the section for file sharing there's a little check box you should check to allow TCP/IP. Then click on the button to start file sharing.

Once file sharing has finished starting, and it says File Sharing On, then there should be a new line showing up in the right side of the window that says URL: afp://xxxx/
The xxxx is the computer name. Write down the address afp://xxxx/ since you'll need that address for your MacBook Pro.

Now go to the MacBook Pro and along the top menu bar for the finder there is a menu item called Go. Click on Go, and then select Connect to Server. In the window that comes up, type in the afp://xxxx/ address that you wrote down from your 8500. Then click on the Connect button.

Your 8500 hard drive should now show up on your MacBook Pro. Now you can transfer files to and from your 8500 drive to the MacBook Pro.

 

[pm-r]

It's been a while ... but as MacOS 9 and hopefully updated is installed on the 8500, and just using a "normal" ethernet cable to a local ethernet router or hub, there should be a "network access" option under the Apple menu on the 8500 to connect to the also ethernet connected MBP, and the MBP should show up as a choice to connect to for a local connected Mac.

Don't try using the MBP running Mac OS X.x to connect to the 8500 as it often will NOT work.

Access the 'local' MBP Mac OS X.x from and using the 8500's "Network Access" instead and you'll have much better success to get the files you want transferred to the MBP.

And don't ask me why it usually works this way and/or why a OS X Mac can't often recognize or access a OS 9 PPC Mac when an older PCC and its OS can access a later OS X Intel Mac.

 

[greydoggie]

I remember doing this with my G3 and os9 and after I figured how how to see it with the 0sx computer I had no problem getting stuff off it. I think like Rob said it was as easy as just typing in the address it gave.

 

[Lichen Software]

It's not going to happen

I believe that you will need a machine that runs Leopard or Tiger to directly network. Snow Leopard does not work.

Alternately, set up some sort of FTP facility between the two over your local network. I have not done this so I cannot provide details.

Your internal hard drive is SCSI. I don't know how many pins. Good luck moving it.

The simplest solution may in the end be to hook the 8500 up to your network, install an email client and email yourself the files. The specs page I looked at says it has a base 10T ethernet connection.

Good luck

 

[Rob]

O.K., I just tried this since it's been a long time.

Here's what works:

On your 8500 go to Control Panels and select File Sharing. The file sharing window should come up.

In the section for file sharing there's a little check box you should check to allow TCP/IP. Then click on the button to start file sharing.

Once file sharing has finished starting, and it says File Sharing On, then there should be a new line showing up in the right side of the window that says URL: afp://xxxx/
The xxxx is the computer name. Write down the address afp://xxxx/ since you'll need that address for your MacBook Pro.

Now go to the MacBook Pro and along the top menu bar for the finder there is a menu item called Go. Click on Go, and then select Connect to Server. In the window that comes up, type in the afp://xxxx/ address that you wrote down from your 8500. Then click on the Connect button.

Your 8500 hard drive should now show up on your MacBook Pro. Now you can transfer files to and from your 8500 drive to the MacBook Pro.

I guess it wasn't clear from my post that I have verified this to work on real machines. It wasn't just speculation. I was using a PM 9600 running OS9.1, and a MacBook running Snow Leopard.

 

[Lichen Software]

I guess it wasn't clear from my post that I have verified this to work on real machines. It wasn't just speculation. I was using a PM 9600 running OS9.1, and a MacBook running Snow Leopard.

I will try that and pass it on. Thank you.

 

[harroldsheep]

O.K., I just tried this since it's been a long time.

Here's what works:

On your 8500 go to Control Panels and select File Sharing. The file sharing window should come up.

In the section for file sharing there's a little check box you should check to allow TCP/IP. Then click on the button to start file sharing.

Once file sharing has finished starting, and it says File Sharing On, then there should be a new line showing up in the right side of the window that says URL: afp://xxxx/
The xxxx is the computer name. Write down the address afp://xxxx/ since you'll need that address for your MacBook Pro.

Now go to the MacBook Pro and along the top menu bar for the finder there is a menu item called Go. Click on Go, and then select Connect to Server. In the window that comes up, type in the afp://xxxx/ address that you wrote down from your 8500. Then click on the Connect button.

Your 8500 hard drive should now show up on your MacBook Pro. Now you can transfer files to and from your 8500 drive to the MacBook Pro.

This works up to the point where there is not any indication of the "afp://xxxx/" anywhere.

Help???

 

[Rob]

Just use the computer name from the file sharing window on your 8500 in place of the xxxx. It's not that complicated.

Check to make sure the computer name isn't blank on your 8500. It has to have a name, and you can also set a password for file sharing. The password can be blank since it's not required, but you do need a name. If there is no name, then call it something simple like 8500.

 

[pm-r]

I just tried doing some file transfer stuff experiments between our G4 PPC dual OS boot MDD and our Intel 24" iMac.

G4 PPC booted into OS 9.2.2, and file sharing works to the iMac - but ONLY if the iMac is booted into 10.5.8 or earlier.

If the iMac is booted into 10.6.x, the closest I get is a dialog saying that some sort of protocol is NOT supported, and that was using the afp://xxx address of the iMac.

Maybe our G4 MDD has some extra quirks that is goofing things up, but I would suspect the problem lies with Mac OS 10.6.x snow leopard. ie: maybe it's become a 'snow job' OS for some. ;-)

Various methods tried with AppleTalk both On and Off and TCP/IP enabled, and all a no go to or from a 10.6 booted Mac it seems, but still available and work with a 10.5.x or earlier booted Mac it seems.


EDIT:
Here's a shot of what I got when trying to access the 10.6 booted iMac and using the iMac's afp:// address...:

 

[pm-r]

i do have an enclosure, but i'd still like to leave that as a last resort.

Why not just pick up a compatible USB card for the 8500 and a small few GB flash drive and partition/format it as APM and all for maybe $20.00 and use the old 'sneaker net' transfer method???

It might save a lot of hassles.

 

[Guest]

10.6 removed support for appletalk AFAIK so that sounds about right. If the OP does have an enclosure I would say it's probably easiest to take that last resort. As noted in a previous post though it's likely that the drive is a scsi based drive so you would need an enclosure that supports SCSI drives w/ a USB or FW interface ... I don't think I've personally ever seen one though.

 

[Rob]

On the 8500

1) Go to Control Panels and select File Sharing.

2) Check the box to allow file sharing by TCP/IP (circled in red)

3) Start filesharing and wait for it to confirm filesharing is on. Notice that afp: adress on the right (circled in red).

On the Snow Leopard Mac

A) On the "Go" menu select Connect to Server.

B) Type in the afp: address from the OS9 Mac, then click Connect.

C) Select the drives from the OS9 Mac that you want to put on the Snow Leopard Mac desktop. Those drives will now show up on the Snow Leopard Mac desktop with a special sharing icon.

D) Copy the files you need from the OS9 Mac to the Snow Leopard Mac

E) Done.

 

[harroldsheep]

I was finally able to connect the two after manual setting up an IP in the TCP/IP setting in the 8500. Thanks for the help, everyone!

 

[pm-r]

Nice helpful shots Rob, but for some strange reason with those settings I had used before, my G4 MDD dual boot now freezes up both file sharing and the Finder, mouse is the only thing that works, when starting up with OS 9.2.2.
Anyway, I can easily live without it.

I was finally able to connect the two after manual setting up an IP in the TCP/IP setting in the 8500. Thanks for the help, everyone!

And a good solution!! Who would have thought...???

I was having trouble recalling the software name I used to use many years ago as a suggestion to offer and I finally recalled and found it, just in case it would help in the future: "ShareWay IP" ShareWay IP

 

[Rob]

One thing to note on file sharing in OS9 is that it will crap out if you have too many partitions and/or drives mounted. I forget the limit, but I thinks it's around 8 or 10.
This has caused me grief in the past since I like to have at least 3 or 4 partitions on each drive. File sharing will just keep trying to run, but it will never actually turn on.

The easiest way around this is to unmount or "put away" some of the partitions and/or drives before starting file sharing. They'll come back on the next time you reboot.

Even if the number of drives and/or partitions is within the limit, it can still take a long time for file sharing to start up the first time. The system has to configure all the drives and folders for file sharing. That can take quite a while if you have some large drives.

I don't know if this is related to the problems with your G4 MDD, pm-r, but if you have a lot of drives/partitions, then that could be the cause.