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Check out http://www.spymac.com/ for a cover story that talks about an increase in CD-R, DVD-+R, and portable music players.

This is not good news, and I'm sure that price increases will have a negative effect on digital music players.
 

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Greedy government and music industry. I didn't know us computer users were going to have to subsidize the poor Canadian artists. You know I'm a frickin (Dr.Evil accent) starving artist myself and I don't think I'll be seeing any of that tariff dosh. I buy cd's and rip them to my mac and now if I want to listen to them on an iPod they are upping the price 20%. Looks like I'm going to be doing much more shopping in the USA. I don't like the fact that I have to save money buy buying American but 20% is a lot of money over the course of a year. Like they don't already take 40% of all I earn through icome tax, GST and PST. :mad:

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This is just another tax grab. Pure and simple.

No artist will ever see a dime.

It will be like the gasoline tax supposedly to keep our highways and roads in good repair. The feds have taken that into general revenue for years and years, and less than 5% of what is collected ever comes back to the provinces or municipalities for road construction.

Or consider the Employment Insurance surplus. They don't need it, but they take it from us every month. Will it ever get to the unemployed who really need it? That too is doubtful.

Welcome to federal taxation reality 101.

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from the star article...

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So far, the organization has distributed $11 million back to Canadian artists since it began collecting the levy in 2000. It is expected to issue another $17 million to $18 million between next week and the end of January.

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i wonder how the money is being distributed back to artists... does gordon lightfoot get less compensation than rush? how does this thing work? maybe i should form a band and collect on some free money.

what about compensating porn producers for illegally downloaded porn?
 

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This HAS to be a joke! How come its the first time I heard about it?

Taxation is stupid in this case. Now that people will have to pay 100$+ more for an iPod, they will believe that they have the right to copy about a hundred songs. IMHO they are right, if they pay for their new songs, its would be like paying for the songs two time...
 

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That would really suck if they levy a tariff on Flash cards
and micro drives, The photo media industry would start
suffering as well.

I was just starting to feel happy that the 5 gig cards were
starting to come down in price.
No wonder Canadians have stopped voting, Why bother
when they all seem to do the same stupid things when they
are in power.

Dave :cool:
 

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"maybe i should form a band and collect on some free money."

After almost 20 years of making records and touring, I'm thinking this may not pan out for ya...
 

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Deja Vu!

Thread from December 2002

We even had discussions about this back in May 2002. gordguide covered a great deal of ground on it, and most retailers don't impose the levies.

There were a few others but I can't find them. It didn't happen last January, I don't think it will fly this time either. IIRC gordguide suggested writing a polite letter to your MP saying the levies were too much, but not to get rid of the whole act all together. As it is the act that allows us to make custom CDs legally for our own use.

This news story is also causing many Americans to start Canada bashing :rolleyes:
 

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groovetube...

since you're in the biz, how does the compensation work? is it based upon the number of unit sales? does a band like rough trade or goddo get anything?

i'd be willing to bet that very little money ever gets to *any* artist whether they have sold 10 million records or not. the administrative costs in processing the money probably eats up the majority of what is collected. in other words, the people getting the money are the people who pushed for this levy, not the artists. nice scam.
 

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thanks. based upon what i read, the distribution of compensation is severely flawed. a band like rush probably has a lot of their entire albums downloaded, however, because their old albums do not get a significant amount of airplay nor experience high volume sales, an artist like nelly furtado probably gets more compensation even though she has fewer illegally downloaded tracks.

here's a snippet from the site:

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Since no inventory of privately copied tracks exists, distribution is based on representative samples of radio airplay and album sales, which are given equal weight in the distribution. Together they provide a proxy for determining the titles that Canadians typically copy for private use. Internet usage is not referenced in the distribution as no adequate documentation of this activity currently exists. Samples are regularly used by copyright collectives because the cost of capturing and analyzing all available information would be excessive.

The airplay samples are prepared by CPCC member collectives SOCAN and NRCC, and are based in an annual 14-day sample for each commercial radio station in Canada and a sample of programming from the CBC/SRC radio services. The specific methodologies used in the airplay portion of the private copying distribution are consistent with those used by SOCAN to distribute performing rights royalties to authors and publishers and by NRCC to distribute neighbouring rights royalties to performers and to makers of sound recordings.

The sales sample is based in SoundScan data. This portion of the private copying distribution of royalties for 2000 was based in a limited sample of album sales data, reflecting the substantially lower royalty revenue available for that year. Nevertheless, the albums identified in that sample accounted for 80% of record sales in Canada during 2000. The sample size was increased for the 2001 distribution, with the albums identified in the sample accounting for 91% of all record sales in Canada.

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here's the link: http://cpcc.ca/english/infoCopyHolders.htm
 

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" ... This is just another tax grab. Pure and simple.

No artist will ever see a dime. ..."

All of the money is distributed to the artists' representative organisations. Not only does the Government not keep a dime, they pay all the costs of collecting and distributing the funds without deducting those costs from the amount collected or distributed.

" ... how does the compensation work? ..."

Well, that's a bit more complicated. Forgive me if I gloss over some of the details in order to give you a broad picture.

They poll radio stations to see what they play, and they pay the money out based on that research. So, if you don't get airplay, you don't get any money.

The distribution scheme was determined by the represenatative organisations themselves; I don't think it's any suprise that they came up with a method that benifits their members most. Musicians have to pay dues to these organisations; so many Indy artists and self-published acts aren't members and didn't have any say in how the money was to be divided or even if the levy was a good idea.

So, if you're an independant artist that self-publishes, you need to play something mainstream enough to get on at least college radio, or you get nada.

Big record companies (remember, these are the people who probably own the recording's copyrights) and big music publishers (the people who probably own the publishing rights) and songwriters (the people who probably own the performance rights) get most of the money, and the more exposure you have on the radio, the more you get.

Selling a million death-metal CDs is still unlikely to get you on the radio, so you aren't going to cash in on the levy.

Although people like to call it a tax, it's not. It would be a tax if it did go to Government coffers. It doesn't.

In exchange for the payment of the levy, every Canadain has an inaleable, entrenched-in-law right to copy any music they want. There is no such thing as an "illegal music download" in Canada.

It was my understanding that the announcement as to whether the increase was granted, and if so, by how much, and also if any of the new media were to be included, was to be announced tomorrow. Did they announce it early and I missed it, or are we assuming things?

[ December 11, 2003, 06:55 PM: Message edited by: gordguide ]
 

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Thanks for clearing it up Gordguide.

If there is an announcement tommorrow, being the CPCC's webmaster I guess I'll have some work to do tommorrow. ;)
 

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Call it whatever the heck any body wants. Tax, levy or butt @*%$. Does an artist like Sarah MacLaclan need any more frickin ( Heavy Dr.Evil accent ) cash.

If you are a popular artist and get lots of air play on the radio=more cash from the people that all ready bought your frickin cd's. An old expression comes to mind. The rich get richer.

I'm all for free enterprise and supporting artists. I own over 4000 cd's. But when large organizations lobby governments for special treatment and they get it, it makes me wonder what the.........?
 

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The rich get richer.
That's not exactly right. The rich get richer - and the poor get poorer!

Independent recording musicians and composers use a heck of a lot of CDRs and other media. If this levy becomes a reality, our costs would increase signicantly diminishing net income. Industry Bigwigs have created a model that benefits only themselves - and they're trying to promote it as a cultural necessity by saying it benefits artists.

[laughing is better than crying]
 

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The chances that Sarah M gets any of it is probably slim to none; she probably doesn't get anything from CD sales either.

It's almost certain that she owes her record company tens of thousands, if not hundreds or even millions.

They take all the money 'till she's paid them back. The majority of recording artists are forever in debt to the record company; very, very, few ever pay them back for the cost of making the record and the music video.

If they do, then there's always the next record to pay for, and it starts all over again.

She's probably living off the advance they gave her, which is kind of like living off your VISA card.

Since the artist's share of a CD is, at most, 70 cents (that's if she wrote the song, the music, and performs it; and she was a strong enough artist to get the top rate, which is doubtful; it's about 20 cents if she sings someone else's songs) it takes quite a while to pay them loans off.

At least she's popular; I know one artist who signed a contract 25 years ago with a record company. They advanced him about $45,000 for the recording (a lot of money then) and then decided they didn't want to bother releasing it. 'Said he "sounded too much like Bob Dylan".

He owes them the money to this day. What's worse, they refused to let him out of his contract (3 albums) and he was never able to sign with another company to try again. He was able to live in New York city for about a year on the 10K or so that wasn't spent in the studio. A very expensive vacation.

[ December 11, 2003, 09:32 PM: Message edited by: gordguide ]
 

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Wow! Canadian artists must be frickin idiots! Lets all sign record contracts and be in debt for the rest of our lives. I recently read (within the last 5 years) an article with the lead singer from 54-40 and in the article he said that being a Candian musician didn't make him rich. In the article he mentioned that he was earning on average 125 000.00 per year. But that he could not ask for a better life and he has a graet house and blah, blah, blah...
Well I certainly don't make anything close to a third of that. I'm not belly aching about what I make, I'm trying to keep my recent new business afloat.

I don't believe that the big popular artists in Canada make no money after a period of time from the cd sales. Or at least owe the labels nothing after many cds are sold (millions of sales for some artists) I know that The Bare Naked Ladies went into debt when Sire first gave them lots of money to make 'Gordon'. Yes I know of many stories of Canadian musicians who owe the labels their recording fees for a long time. That's why they tour, to make a living. But if you make it big like Sarah, Rush, Bryan, Avril etc..etc...the record companies make their money back off of them. And they are the companies getting this damn levy tax. That's the fact gordguide, according to your post of the breakdown of where the money is going.

I would rather it goes to the Indie bands. They're the ones struggling in the smokey bars, eecking out a living. Or make it fair across the board. All the artists get their equal share, no matter what your standing. Hollywood has SAG to protect their members. Maybe Canada could have something more along the same line. Instead of SOCAN. Why should only the popular artists who get air time get the levy. Smells rotten to me!

Any way I look at the issue. From the artists side. The labels side. Or my side, the consumer. There is no perfect solution to who gets what cut. I could become a singer today and call for my share of the pot. Would that be fair to the other artists who have been struggling for years. I don't know the answer. All I know is we (I) keep having to pay out more and more of my hard earned money every year. When the hell is it going to stop. Free market economy is what North America survives on. Well, that and exploiting the 3rd world labour. If the government wants to support the levy and make all recordable media go up 20% next year and then more the next...etc...there's going to be a back lash somewhere.

This is not meant to be a rant against Canadian artists or who ever makes how much money. I am just tired of paying through the nose for everything lately and getting nothing back. And before any of you say well, we have free health care...you haven't been seriously ill lately. I have and believe me OHIP does not cover about 30% of my medical costs anymore. And I'm self employed so I have no dental or medical offered to me like some corporate workers have. And if anyone suggests, why don't you get private coverage for yourself. There's an obvious reason I don't have coverage.

I've strayed way off topic somewhat, but I'm just shedding a little light to my side of how taxes and levies affect the little guy. I know I can't get ahead in life if it's a constant struggle with these kinds of issues. Frickin LEVY!
 

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Well ranted!

I feel a lot better now that you've got that off your chest!
 
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