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I accidentally sold my Microsoft Office keyboard and have to use one of the Apple "pro" keyboard. What a piece of junk. :mad:
I'm actually going to go down and grab one of the old Apple ADB keyboards - the original big ones - at least they had a decent touch and size.
There is a Macally ICE KB that looks cool and feels okay but I tell you Microsoft is making a great tool for $50 - excellent feel, ergonomic, good touch, a million programmable options. Certainly the most comfortable since the original Apple ergonomic that I used for years. Very similar feel and key typing position.
Anyone else dislike the last two versions of Apple keyboards???

I really think Apple sometimes gets too involved with the look instead of the function :rolleyes:



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Well, first off...

How does one "accidentally sell' something?
I'm sure it was intentionally sold and regretted later...

Second. I've personally had one of the Pro keyboards for about 2 years and I's always felt nice to me. Obviously taste and personal preference will be a big factor here, but wht aspects of it don't you like? (beyond the tactile, which is a subjective aspect of any keyboard)

And on a completely different tangent. I'm thinking of selling my laptop (It's a Lombard 400 w/ 192MB RAM and a 6GB HD) What would be a good price range?

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I love my pro keyboard, but was forced to get a cheaper model when it came to getting an extended keyboard for my iBook.. got a Logitech "Internet Navigator".... neat little scroll wheel on the side, and several programmable options as well.

I think it was about $35, when Apple's keyboard was $89.
 

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Yes, accidently selling something. Interesting...


When the letters started to 'rub' off that nice $100 keyboard I just had to laugh, nice work boys. It does look nice though, sitting on the shelf beside it's buddy, the clear stinky mouse. ;)

Thanks again Stevie for a wonderful product enhancement.

MS to the rescue
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I really like my Pro keyboard. It has a much better touch than that POS Dell silent touch (Isn't that a contradiction in terms) at work. Had to hit the keys with a mallet to get them to be noticed on the Dell POS.

Don't really know what I'd add to a Pro keyboard except maybe a bit more plastic so it doesn't look like a dwarf next to my monitors and tower (or my Cube).

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MS to the rescue

Not any longer. Have you seen the latest and "greatest" Microsoft keyboards? Ugh. I'm hoping my Microsoft Natural Keyboard doesn't die soon; I don't know what I'd replace it with.
 

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As soon as I stopped traveling and settled in here at home I went out and bought a brand new Apple Pro keyboard to match my Pro mouse. I'm using it right now (the keyboard on the Pismo is a bit cramped and somewhat flexible as well).

I absoloutely love my Pro Mouse....and I quite like the Pro keyboard although I agree with macdoc about the angle being too flat. The only real grief I have had with it is that you really have to mash down on the "shift" key or you get a lower case letter almost every time. I wish I had a nickle for each sentence I've had to go back and re-capitalise.

A few months back, I came across a Macally Ice keyboard in a pawnshop and picked it up for twelve bucks. Much better angle than the Pro Apple and I used it for some time before switching back to the Apple unit. The Pro just has a much higher quality feel to it and I found that I kept hitting the caps lock on the macally for some strange reason. Since I don't touch type, I would sometimes have a whole paragraph capitalised before I realised what I'd done. The macally is a good keyboard, but I kind of prefer the Pro when all is said and done.

Just my thoughts on this.
 

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I'm with haiggy on the Logitech "internet explorer" model. Download the OSX driver from their site and away you go. The programable buttons and scroll wheel make surfing so much easier.
My only beef is that it doesn't have a usb port on the keyboard. :rolleyes: :mad:
But for $35 CDN at Staples, its not bad.
Robert

PS the Apple pro mouse rocks :D
 

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Macnutt you are talking about the old MacAlly KB which was indeed a full sized keyboard but the current ICE one is very stylish and has an interesting touch to it. I suspect the very thin switches make it feel more like a portable keyboard.
The use "scissor" switches to keep the profile low. My staff likes his - dumped the Pro for it.
But if you spend a lot of time typing - which you do, and multitasking which most of us do, I suggest you try the Microsoft Office keyboard.
Aside from the excellent touch and ergonomic design the programmable features are outstanding and you can switch much of your scrolling and application switching to your left hand very naturally as there is a large scroll bar, rocker application switcher and 5 well spaced programmable buttons on the left. Balances out the hand use.
I guess the best part is that YOU can create your own work flow with the mulitude of flexible features. All for $50. http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/keyboard/ok_info.asp

In combination with the Explorer mouse it removes a lot of "hard on the neck" mouse movements and the programming function is simple and reliable ( unlike Kensington - I like their Turbomouse but the software is erratic).



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I have been using the same Apple Extended Keyboard II through several incarnations of my main Mac.

Sure they were about $269 brand new way back when but this thing has been through hell and back and still not one problem !!

I am now have a b/w G3 and lucky me stil have one ADB port.

I'll have to find some very expensive USB to ADB connector when I move up to G4.
 

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Accidental sale because we had one in a box supposedly and when the client showed up for it - oops wrong keyboard so off went mine.


Beefs with the Pro ( in spades for the previous USB junker)
F keys way too close to the main keyboard
White letters on black wrong wrong wrong - hard to see in dim light or glare
No wrist support
Angle is too flat
Keys are too close together - this is NOT a full sized keyboard - any touch typist switching from a full sized will have problems. Sure you CAN get used to it but why should you.
No assignable keys - seriously stupid :rolleyes: yeah yeah f-keys but others have prelabeled standard keys that can be programmed.
Application switching built in is missing
For $29 it might be okay - for $90 it's a total rip-off
and did I mention they FAIL regularly

On a desktop I want a "deck" I can program and work on all day without fatigue.
MS has it
Logitech isn't bad
Even Macally is better and stylish
Apple comes in LAST :mad:
I agree the new MS high end black keyboards are a step back.
These are tools not art objects :rolleyes:



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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sever:
Yes, accidently selling something. Interesting...


When the letters started to 'rub' off that nice $100 keyboard I just had to laugh, nice work boys. It does look nice though, sitting on the shelf beside it's buddy, the clear stinky mouse. ;)

Thanks again Stevie for a wonderful product enhancement.

MS to the rescue
[duck]
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

When did ehMac get a resident troll?

Seriously, the letters rubbed off your keyboard? Maybe you should consider washing once in a while. I shudder to thing what kind of crud you have on your hands to cause the letters to rub off. ;)
 

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Every well used pro kb we see has dim or broken letters on the high use keys. It's a terrible design.
If the keys were backlit like the new PB then white on black might be reasonable - as it is it goes against every principle of letter recognition and fast identification. Bottom line....seriously stupid design for a company like Apple.
They dropped it on the iMac and the iBook - wonder why




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As macdoc mentioned, I do a lot of typing (!!) and so far the Apple pro keyboard hasn't shown any visible signs of losing it's letters. I sure like the way it looks and feels as well. The macally that I referred to as an "ICE" has the name "Ikey" on the upper righthand corner and one of the reasons I bought it was because of the on-off switch it had. Trouble was....it didn't seem to have much effect when I was wrestling with my ill-fated Jaguar install. Sometimes it would shut down the whole mess, sometimes not. The power button on the Pismo was starting to get shiny from wear and I thought I'd spread the load a bit.

Anyway.... I like the Pro mouse and will probably stick with the pro keyboard until it fails. With the sort of mileage I put on it that could be tomorrow sometime. :eek:
 

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Heyesk.....

Well you see, I actually use my keyboard for work, performing useful and commercially viable and profitable projects. So using a keyboard with cheap painted letters and numbers on it will of course result in them wearing off.

Of course morons that really only rely on the mouse to click back and forth through the pages of their favorite barnyard porn sites wouldn't know anything about wearing out a keyboard, really no need to type know is there? Thank goodness for that browser cache eh? :D
 

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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by macdoc:
Accidental sale because we had one in a box supposedly and when the client showed up for it - oops wrong keyboard so off went mine.
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ROTFL!

Sorry, it's not that I find your perdicament funny, but I have to admit, that actually *DOES* fit the explanation of "accidentally selling"!

*SIGH*. I may have "Accidentally Donated" my old G4 graphite keyboard. Either that or the dog ate it. And I don't have a dog...

Seems when my mom's keyboard appeared to be acting up, I figured I'd just swap it with my unused original G4 keyboard (the only difference was the colour and I had the Pro keyboard at this point).

I have yet to find that farkin' G4 keyboard. I swear. I have no memory of giving or selling it.

Perhaps alien abduction? Or perhaps hiding in an obscure corner somewhere (I have alot of crap in my apartment and something could go hidden for years... but I tore the place upside-down looking for it, so that might be unlikely...



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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by macdoc:
Beefs with the Pro ( in spades for the previous USB junker)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

F keys way too close to the main keyboard

Hmmm... never really thought about that. Kind of a personal preference thing I guess.

White letters on black wrong wrong wrong - hard to see in dim light or glare

Hard to see in even good light. Luckily, I'm psychic and using my secret mutant powers, I rarely have trouble... ;) But I agree. Not the best choice (However, I do think it still looks cool...)


No wrist support


Well, hardly a realistic gripe. You can always use a third-party one (Mine has Marvin the Martian on it! w00t!) And think about all those companies that sell those gel-wrist support accessories. They'd go out of business if every keyboard came with wrist support... ;)


Angle is too flat


It *is* adjustable. You don't know flat until you see someone who never figured that out. (This means YOU mom!) However, they do meet the "official" requirements for angle support.


Keys are too close together - this is NOT a full sized keyboard - any touch typist switching from a full sized will have problems. Sure you CAN get used to it but why should you.


Now this seems like just plain whining. Sorry, but the keys are not too close together.Comparing them to most of the keyboards at work (of varying models) there isn't a lick of difference...

Not that I licked any of them. That would be gross!



No assignable keys - seriously stupid :rolleyes: yeah yeah f-keys but others have prelabeled standard keys that can be programmed.


Speaking of useless. Assignable keys. Personally, *ANY* key is assignable if you program a shortcut using some application or other (within reason. But for the most part, it has been figured that 90% of customers never use assignable keys for anything).

Welcome to the top 10% though!



Application switching built in is missing. For $29 it might be okay - for $90 it's a total rip-off


Ummm.. default in OS X is Command-tab. Regardless of keyboard...


...and did I mention they FAIL regularly


Nope. You hadn't up until now. I've yet to see one fail (and including where I worked at NorTel and now at Adobe, this would be more than 10 Pro keyboards, none of which has had a problem in years of service).

That doesn't mean they can't fail, but regularly? I'd find it shocking to learn it was high number, but I don't know of a single one in my years of using these model keyboards of one failing.

On a desktop I want a "deck" I can program and work on all day without fatigue.
MS has it
Logitech isn't bad
Even Macally is better and stylish
Apple comes in LAST :mad:
I agree the new MS high end black keyboards are a step back.
These are tools not art objects :rolleyes:


Apple really isn't in the "keyboard market" so much as it is providing a specific (and improved from the POS iMac keyboards of yesteryear) product. Maybe it's not what you want, but it's certainly (In My Humble Opinion) a very good keyboard.

Although Logitech Keyboards have always made me go "ooohhhh!" cuz they look cool too. Well, most of them.

 

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Well...that just about says it all!!

And you didn't even mention a Rubber Fish once, Strongblade! :eek: :cool:

Bottom line for me:

I use my Apple Pro keyboard at a furious rate and churn out pages and pages of rants on all sorts of subjects on this, and several other forums. I love the look and feel of it and it has yet of fail or lose the lettering on the keys.

I think I'll keep it. ;)
 

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I actually like my ProKeyboard, but at 90$ it is a BARGAIN! I PAID 150 FOR MINE!

Bust seriously, check out the Logitech Elite Keyboard, IMO, the best keyboard around right now. Should be around 70$.

--PB
 
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