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for anyone who as been to lakes huron or superior, this is NOT good news and especially disturbing.

Trilateral partnership sucks Superior?

i've heard rumblings about this and i think we're screwed. I would be so royally p*ssed if we have to start shipping our water. It's a precious resource that, unlike oil, is actually needed for the world's environment to function properly.

I still don't understand why us humans have developed some big massive condensation type drippers to MAKE water. duh! We can spend billions going to space and while those missions are important, I sometimes wonder if we're screwing ourselves by now looking after terra firma first.

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Ah yes, that well established and totally credible news source "sootoday".

Gimme a break.
I'll remember that next time you quote anything West of Toronto that has a semi-naked girls on P3... anything from Global and most private media that you like.

Maybe if you talked about the ideas instead of pissing on people from your perch...

I do hope that the mods to something about the cantankerous one from Alberta.
 

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Ah yes, that well established and totally credible news source "sootoday".

Gimme a break.
lol nice.

right back at you:

WorldNetDaily: U.S.-Mexico merger opposition intensifies

and for more:

"trilateral Security and Prosperity Partnership" - Google Search
and before you pipe off at something else you have no information :

Mighty Lake Superior Mystifies Scientists - AOL News

protecting the biggest inland lake is pretty serious.

there's your 'break'.

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I have an old friend who was a geologist at the Univ. of Michigan and now lives in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. She has been studying the decline in the water level in Lake Superior for the past 20 years. To her, and to the people living around this great lake, it is no laughing matter.
 

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Ah yes, that well established and totally credible news source "sootoday".

Gimme a break.
I guess you have "insider" information on how small town newspapers work. I mean before your retirement you worked with small newspapers and now you have a column in one of them... I'll assume that you are speaking from your experience...
 

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I have an old friend who was a geologist at the Univ. of Michigan and now lives in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan. She has been studying the decline in the water level in Lake Superior for the past 20 years. To her, and to the people living around this great lake, it is no laughing matter.
It is not the water situation that is the laughing matter Dr. G., it is the news sources used. Their accuracy and objectivity is to be questioned.
 

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It is not the water situation that is the laughing matter Dr. G., it is the news sources used. Their accuracy and objectivity is to be questioned.
No news source is objective.
 

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It is not the water situation that is the laughing matter Dr. G., it is the news sources used. Their accuracy and objectivity is to be questioned.
Please tell us why great objective one....

On second thought, I really don't care to read rancid idiocy posted by you.
 

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True, but some are more credible than others. ;)
i guess the point is how do you know what's credible and not credible.

i think the basic understanding of how news sources function might help eh?

They usually get their info from reuters or a like agency and disseminate from there.

So, it doesn't matter if you're in Sault Ste. Marie or some oilfield in AB, for example.... they get the same info.
 

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From the article:

"It's like NAFTA on steriods. Right now, under NAFTA, a company could sue Ontario if it refused to grant a permit to bulk-ship water out of Lake Superior," the NDP trade critic said. "From what we've seen of SPP, it would be much worse."
Ontario can't be sued for refusing to allow bulk water shipments because we aren't making bulk water shipments. NAFTA says we can't stop, not that we have to begin.

Even if we were, NAFTA has a section that excludes "vital resources" from this type of thing. The only problem is that a court would have to decide if water was a "vital resource" (which you would think they would but who knows).

The quoted statement is wrong at the present time and might be absolutely wrong.
 

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i guess the point is how do you know what's credible and not credible.

i think the basic understanding of how news sources function might help eh?

They usually get their info from reuters or a like agency and disseminate from there.

So, it doesn't matter if you're in Sault Ste. Marie or some oilfield in AB, for example.... they get the same info.
I guess spending 45 years in the newspaper game doesn't count then, does it? ;)

I recognize a credible source when I see one.
 

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From the article:

After the Montebello summit, an executive summary of the SPP agenda was released that contained a lot of white-out and a few scary facts, he added.

"Documents obtained by the NDP through access-to-information reveal the so-called wide-ranging and dense agenda of the SPP contained discussions of energy integration and the harmonization of standards," said Julian. "Much of the document was censored by the government, including information on energy security and smart and secure borders."
Gasp!!! Energy integration!!!! Harmonizing standards!!!! Whiting out information on security!!!!

Scary stuff. :rolleyes:

These things are just common sense things to discuss and plan with our largest trading partner and talking about security initiatives publicly isn't a great way to improve security.

One blog that speaks out against SPP focuses on a Mexican manufacturing company's poor safety and environmental record and says that SPP will reduce the rest of North America to that standard of operations for the sake of competition.
Yeah right, our insurance companies are going to allow our safety standards to fall to Mexican levels rather than having the Mexicans rise to ours.

I'm sorry, but this article is a joke.
 

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Everyone seems to forget that each great lake's shore is shared with the US, making the water therein half theirs. Who are we to say they can't siphon off their rightful share?
now here's something i unfortunately agree with. the unfortunate part being that i think the american politicians are often too greedy and short sighted to realize the impact, but i digress.

i think the larger issue has to do with the lake superior basin which ultimately feeds the great lakes. that hasn't been touched on yet, but it's a critical issue directly impacting Superior.

It's going to be an interesting time for Canada in the next year or so with the water and the Yanks and Russia wanting the oil up north.

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now here's something i unfortunately agree with. the unfortunate part being that i think the american politicians are often too greedy and short sighted to realize the impact, but i digress.

i think the larger issue has to do with the lake superior basin which ultimately feeds the great lakes. that hasn't been touched on yet, but it's a critical issue directly impacting Superior.

It's going to be an interesting time for Canada in the next year or so with the water and the Yanks and Russia wanting the oil up north.

Cheers,
Keebler
Good observations all. Interesting times ahead indeed.
 
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