I'm with gt on this... if you don't have a license, stay off the road! If you need to go to the hospital, call 911... or get a cab. I honestly hope that you get a huge fine the next time you drive without a license... you're just endangering others needlessly.
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Scary I'm in agreement with GT on this issue.
The minimum purpose of passing a driver examination is certify you understand the motor vehicle act and regulations.
You may posses the skills of steering and braking, heck you may even know how to use a clutch. How wonderful!
As a result of not having a driver's license, you do not have public liability or public damage car insurance.
If you had passed your driver's examination you would know that it is a serious matter to drive a vehicle upon a public highway without valid insurance coverage for that vehicle.
Ignorance is bliss I guess.
The minimum purpose of passing a driver examination is certify you understand the motor vehicle act and regulations.
You may posses the skills of steering and braking, heck you may even know how to use a clutch. How wonderful!
As a result of not having a driver's license, you do not have public liability or public damage car insurance.
If you had passed your driver's examination you would know that it is a serious matter to drive a vehicle upon a public highway without valid insurance coverage for that vehicle.
Ignorance is bliss I guess.
Driving is a skill not a privilege or a right.
Having a licence allows one to exercise that skill on public roads ( you do not have to have a licence to drive on private property. ).
I'm a licenced pilot but my licence is not current.
It does not mean I do not have the skill to fly a plane in an emergency and to do so safely.
One can get rusty and so take extra care but the skill does not disappear.
If I'm in a plane where my skills are needed of course I would fly the plane.
I'm QUITE sure Robert makes similar judgement calls as we all do in speeding, rolling through stop signs and driving without our licence in the car.
We get caught, he gets caught - there are proscribed penalties which again I'm quite sure he would honour.
I've driven 60 miles at over 160 k in an emergency and would have loved to attract a cop....none to be had and lucky we did drive at that speed as it turned out.
When confronted by an emergency one exercises best judgement...not is this legal or not - that's waaaaaaaaaay down the list.
Would you not break a window to get into a burning house....that's break and enter.
At least in flying we could subtly "discourage" those would be pilots we knew were a danger to themselves and others so they never got their licence.
I would concur that having a licence is unfortunately no indicator of skill...tho for a new driver these days it does mean a certain amount of persistence, training, discretion and testing has occurred.
A drivers licence is a choice...congrats Robert for lowering your carbon footprint.
....even better good judgement.
Having a licence allows one to exercise that skill on public roads ( you do not have to have a licence to drive on private property. ).
I'm a licenced pilot but my licence is not current.
It does not mean I do not have the skill to fly a plane in an emergency and to do so safely.
One can get rusty and so take extra care but the skill does not disappear.
If I'm in a plane where my skills are needed of course I would fly the plane.
I'm QUITE sure Robert makes similar judgement calls as we all do in speeding, rolling through stop signs and driving without our licence in the car.
We get caught, he gets caught - there are proscribed penalties which again I'm quite sure he would honour.
I've driven 60 miles at over 160 k in an emergency and would have loved to attract a cop....none to be had and lucky we did drive at that speed as it turned out.
When confronted by an emergency one exercises best judgement...not is this legal or not - that's waaaaaaaaaay down the list.
Would you not break a window to get into a burning house....that's break and enter.
At least in flying we could subtly "discourage" those would be pilots we knew were a danger to themselves and others so they never got their licence.
I would concur that having a licence is unfortunately no indicator of skill...tho for a new driver these days it does mean a certain amount of persistence, training, discretion and testing has occurred.
A drivers licence is a choice...congrats Robert for lowering your carbon footprint.
....even better good judgement.
Congrats on perhaps the dumbest post ever on ehMac. Or is it just me?Driving is a skill not a privilege or a right.
Having a licence allows one to exercise that skill on public roads ( you do not have to have a licence to drive on private property. ).
I'm a licenced pilot but my licence is not current.
It does not mean I do not have the skill to fly a plane in an emergency and to do so safely.
One can get rusty and so take extra care but the skill does not disappear.
If I'm in a plane where my skills are needed of course I would fly the plane.
I'm QUITE sure Robert makes similar judgement calls as we all do in speeding, rolling through stop signs and driving without our licence in the car.
We get caught, he gets caught - there are proscribed penalties which again I'm quite sure he would honour.
I've driven 60 miles at over 160 k in an emergency and would have loved to attract a cop....none to be had and lucky we did drive at that speed as it turned out.
When confronted by an emergency one exercises best judgement...not is this legal or not - that's waaaaaaaaaay down the list.
Would you not break a window to get into a burning house....that's break and enter.
At least in flying we could subtly "discourage" those would be pilots we knew were a danger to themselves and others so they never got their licence.
I would concur that having a licence is unfortunately no indicator of skill...tho for a new driver these days it does mean a certain amount of persistence, training, discretion and testing has occurred.
A drivers licence is a choice...congrats Robert for lowering your carbon footprint.
....even better good judgement.
Gee MD, what ARE you smokin'?
I'd like to know what GT is smoking?
Having a piece of paper saying you are legally allowed to drive a motor vehicle on a public road does not automatically make anyone lacking said piece of paper a bad driver. There are a number of reasons a fully competent driver may not have a valid lisense, including (for example): it expired, they moved from another province/country (IIRC you have a certain amount of time to get a local license), etc.
If an emergency situation arises, there might be no other choice but for someone who is not legally entitled to drive to do so. If the alternative if someone's death, you are being incredibly insensitive and downright stupid to say they should not drive.
What if two friends are out camping in a remote area? Should they call a cab, which might be two hours one way from their location and unable to to traverse the local logging roads? That's a four hour round trip. They could cut that time in half if the unlicensed person takes the wheel.
All a driver's license is is a piece of paper saying you are allowed to drive. When someone is near death, there are more important things to be concerned about than a piece of paper.
Hell, I read a question from a young, unlisenced woman to a cop not long ago, asking "if my parents were very drunk, who would you prefer drive the car home?" The answer: the girl.
Honestly, the whole premise of this thread is ridiculous, and GT should be ashamed of attacking this theoretical someone put in a very difficult situation.
Having a piece of paper saying you are legally allowed to drive a motor vehicle on a public road does not automatically make anyone lacking said piece of paper a bad driver. There are a number of reasons a fully competent driver may not have a valid lisense, including (for example): it expired, they moved from another province/country (IIRC you have a certain amount of time to get a local license), etc.
If an emergency situation arises, there might be no other choice but for someone who is not legally entitled to drive to do so. If the alternative if someone's death, you are being incredibly insensitive and downright stupid to say they should not drive.
What if two friends are out camping in a remote area? Should they call a cab, which might be two hours one way from their location and unable to to traverse the local logging roads? That's a four hour round trip. They could cut that time in half if the unlicensed person takes the wheel.
Taking the wheel because someone is in serious need of medical attention is not a choice, it is what any decent person would do. You say "Well, er, they might hurt someone if they drive." Right - and someone is very likely to die if they don't! In that kind of situation, what would you do? Let your loved one die because you lack a piece of paper?
Let's see some actual evidence to back this up. In fact, someone who drives less often could well be a better driver, because they don't develop bad habits, and pay more attention to the road.
We're not talking about every day driving here: unlicensed people who drive daily should be charged and/or fined. But in an emergency, when no other option is available, you do what you have to do.
All a driver's license is is a piece of paper saying you are allowed to drive. When someone is near death, there are more important things to be concerned about than a piece of paper.
Hell, I read a question from a young, unlisenced woman to a cop not long ago, asking "if my parents were very drunk, who would you prefer drive the car home?" The answer: the girl.
Honestly, the whole premise of this thread is ridiculous, and GT should be ashamed of attacking this theoretical someone put in a very difficult situation.
I suggest a DD.Makr said:
Point and fact.. it shouldn't be you. It doesn't matter how long you've had your learners permit. If you hit me and damaged my car, I wouldn't have the slightest bit of sympathy on you when I took you to court for the damages that should be covered under insurance, but aren't because you weren't supposed to be driving said car.
If your friends are that *stupid* (to put it in your words) not to have a designated driver, they can sleep in the street for all I care.
Well that's funny, because just before you said a hypothetical situation was dumb. But that's not important, because if you'd actually read the text you yourself quoted, you would see that what you said just now isn't even accurate:
You see, we're not talking about people driving illegally for ****s and giggles. I think we all agree that driving without a license is a stupid thing to do. But, if you'd actually read my last post, instead of selectively quoting from it, you'd see that I said that. I also said that there are situations where the safety of someone who is in a life threatening situation is more important than whether someone has a driver's license.
You may think it stupid to consider a hypothetical situation, but I don't think you do. I think you realize, too, that in some cases there is little other choice. Let's just say you're out camping with a friend in a remote area, and you do not have a license. Your friend is hurt and unable to drive. Do you illegally drive them to the hospital, thus saving their life? Or do you leave them to die?
So far, you've said you'll gladly leave someone to die because it's just so wrong! to drive illegally, even in an emergency.
You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but that's just cold.
Your camper theory is flawed.I'd like to know what GT is smoking?
Having a piece of paper saying you are legally allowed to drive a motor vehicle on a public road does not automatically make anyone lacking said piece of paper a bad driver. There are a number of reasons a fully competent driver may not have a valid lisense, including (for example): it expired, they moved from another province/country (IIRC you have a certain amount of time to get a local license), etc.
What if two friends are out camping in a remote area? Should they call a cab, which might be two hours one way from their location and unable to to traverse the local logging roads? That's a four hour round trip. They could cut that time in half if the unlicensed person takes the wheel.
In one paragraph you mention "public" roads and in the next 'private' roads or better known as unassumed roads; on which the user assumes all risk. The unlicensed camper is perfectly legal to drive on the unassumed road provided he/she does not enter a public roadway. The smart and proper thing to do would be to have a cell phone and have emergency services meet them at the public road.
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