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'Beyond horrific': Shooting on Las Vegas Strip kills at least 50, wounds hundreds



A Nevada sheriff says the death toll has climbed to at least 50 in the attack on a Las Vegas concert Sunday, making it the deadliest shooting in modern U.S. history.

Clark County Sheriff Joseph Lombardo says more than 200 people were wounded at the Route 91 Harvest Music Festival in an outdoor area known as Las Vegas Village, across the strip from the Mandalay Bay and the Luxor hotels.

The death toll surpassed the 49 from the Orlando nightclub shooting that also left dozens wounded in June 2016, when the 29-year-old gunman was shot and killed by police.

Authorities have identified the person believed to be the gunman in Sunday night's shooting as Stephen Paddock, 64.

Lombardo says officers confronted Paddock on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino across the street from the concert.

It's believed he checked in as a hotel guest. He's now dead but how he died is not immediately clear.

Authorities say they have also located 62-year-old Marilou Danley, who was wanted as a person of interest in the shooting.
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What we know about Stephen Paddock, the suspected gunman killed in standoff

Authorities are still looking into Paddock’s background and history, according to Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department (LVMPD) Sheriff Joseph Lombardo. Lombardo said the police department had located a number of firearms in the room that he occupied in the hotel.

Officers will also be carrying out a search of Paddock’s home. Police said Paddock checked into the hotel as a guest.

He was not believed to be connected to any militant group, Lombardo said. Police have not called the shooting a terrorist attack.

“We have no idea what his belief system was,” Lombardo said. “Right now, we believe he was the sole aggressor and the scene is static.””

 

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A very tragic and sad event that unfortunately has become all to normal.
 

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As harsh as this sounds, “who cares”. It’s just another one in a long list. I live across from Detroit and hardly a week goes by where a child has been killed by another child playing with their parents or grandparents loaded gun. Shooting at schools, what 3 times a year., might not make the news unless you hit double digits...Sandy Hook, never happened according to ultr-right broadcasters....yep those were great character actors at the school during the grieving scenes. Colleges, movie theatres, more people would be safe if everyone carried...yep nothing like a gun fight. Oh, fireworks downtown Detroit-Windsor, why bring your guns in open Carry, it’s okay. Only mentally ill would shoot others.....oh, we can’t put more stringent gun ownership rules out there....constitutional rights and all. If you’ve lived on a farm you know the difference between culling chickens and ducks. For you city dwellers it goes like this....in culling chickens you grab one do the deed, then another and another...it’s only when you have about 4 or so left they get suspicious. With ducks, you grab one to do the deed, they others follow to see what’s going on. When you do the deed you never see another duck for the rest of the day.....the U.S. has to decide are they chickens or ducks.
 

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Rps: Yep. :(

Shooter has been identified:



Police have named Stephen Paddock as the suspected gunman who killed at least 50 people and hospitalised more than 400 others at a Las Vegas concert.

The 64-year-old, of Mesquite, Nevada, sprayed bullets at music-lovers as a gig by country singer Jason Aldean was ending on Sunday night, said officers.

The suspect opened fire from a room on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino.

Paddock killed himself at the scene as officers closed in.

It is the deadliest shooting in modern US history, with the death toll surpassing the 49 killed at a nightclub in Orlando, Florida, in June 2016.
Las Vegas Sheriff Joseph Lombardo said investigators found "in excess of 10 rifles" in the hotel room that Paddock checked into on 28 September.

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As harsh as this sounds, “who cares”. It’s just another one in a long list. I live across from Detroit and hardly a week goes by where a child has been killed by another child playing with their parents or grandparents loaded gun. Shooting at schools, what 3 times a year., might not make the news unless you hit double digits...Sandy Hook, never happened according to ultr-right broadcasters....yep those were great character actors at the school during the grieving scenes. Colleges, movie theatres, more people would be safe if everyone carried...yep nothing like a gun fight. Oh, fireworks downtown Detroit-Windsor, why bring your guns in open Carry, it’s okay. Only mentally ill would shoot others.....oh, we can’t put more stringent gun ownership rules out there....constitutional rights and all. If you’ve lived on a farm you know the difference between culling chickens and ducks. For you city dwellers it goes like this....in culling chickens you grab one do the deed, then another and another...it’s only when you have about 4 or so left they get suspicious. With ducks, you grab one to do the deed, they others follow to see what’s going on. When you do the deed you never see another duck for the rest of the day.....the U.S. has to decide are they chickens or ducks.
Yes it is harsh and it should make the news. Just because it happens time and again does not mean we should not morn the the lives lost and be empathetic to the grief of their loved ones. You should care all the more because is is another one in a long list.

Thousands die from natural disaster all over the world and we give aid and at least empathy to those affected. I am shocked at your post Rps, to compare a human life to that of a chicken or a duck is disgraceful. I know you were using it as a simile but it was a terrible example. The reason why these animals exist is because we made them to create sustenance for us. Huge difference. It is a good thing that the West didn't have this point of view during WWII during the Nazi's eliminating the Jews or whoever else they felt like.

Just because there is a systematic problem in the US with gun control you are going to have such a dark heart as to say who cares?!! Well I for one care even if you don't. It was a tragedy regardless of politics to those who died and their friends and family... THEY CARE!!!

Quite frankly I am shocked and dismayed by your response!!! IMO you should be ashamed of your response for its lack of caring, empathy, compassion and humanity.

I could go on and on but will leave it at that.
 

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Steve in the U.S. it is easier to get a gun than a drivers license....nuff said.
 

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Steve in the U.S. it is easier to get a gun than a drivers license....nuff said.
No it is not, not is the least. Those are rules and laws made by legislators. This is 50 people dead with at least 200 more injured. There is not enough said, not by a long shot.

Your post simply indicated capitulation and cynicism. Uncaring, devoid of human empathy. All you seem to care about is the changing of the laws and not the victims of the current laws. If you truly cared about changing the current laws you would carer very much about what happened in Vegasy. 50 dead, at least 200 injured, compound that to at least probably 4-5 who knew them personally that equals at least 1250 people who care even if you don't.

Not caring is the absolute worst thing you can do. Do you care about Syrian, Libyan, Kurdish, Ukrainian, Mexican, etc., etc., refugees? If not, fine that is your choice, but by saying "who cares" about 50 dead and at least 200, that is just uncaring and putting politics before the lives of people. "They are just numbers in a growing pile, who cares, it is the same as it ever was. We have more pressing matters to deal with like the Muslim scourge."

That is what you sound like. You sound more like a member of the NRA than someone who supports gun control. You have given up and don't give a s** about the death toll. I really cannot begin to comprehend where you are coming from.

I could go on and on but will take a pause as I have to go pee...
 

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Steve, I’ve no intention to get into a heated argument with you. Yes it is sad and tragic, but the U.S. as a legislative body does not care. Every time this happens there is media indignation until something important like Beyonce’s pregnancy or an NFL player wearing a “ come together T-shirt” comes along. Many countries have changed their constitutions on gun control ( Australia comes to mind ) but not the U.S.....this is a country which put man on the moon, a task humanity thought was impossible, but they did it.....so it is easier putting man on the moon than gun control? The reason they could do one but not the other....they wanted to.
 

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Steve in the U.S. it is easier to get a gun than a drivers license....nuff said.
There is no proof of that, I don't know where you are getting that from:

There's No Real Way To Tell How Many Guns Are Sold In America Each Year

If you want to find out exactly how many guns are sold in the US each year, then the figures are not recorded.

However, if you want to know how many applications there are to buy guns each year, then the latest data from the FBI shows that 2012 looks like a bumper year for gun sales in America.

In the wake of the Newtown shooting in Connecticut, there is a renewed focus on gun control in the US. And, under US law, the National Instant Criminal Background Check System is used to check if someone can buy a gun from a federal registered dealer before they can walk out of the shop with it.
Highway Finance Data Collection

Getting a drivers license marks a rite of passage for adolescents, and having one is seen as a sign of continuing independence for American seniors. In 2009, 87 percent of the driving-age population (age 16 and over) have a license. There are 685 drivers for every 1,000 residents. In 1960, just a few years after all states required driver licensing, there were only 487 drivers for every 1,000 residents.
 

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Steve, I’ve no intention to get into a heated argument with you. Yes it is sad and tragic, but the U.S. as a legislative body does not care. Every time this happens there is media indignation until something important like Beyonce’s pregnancy or an NFL player wearing a “ come together T-shirt” comes along. Many countries have changed their constitutions on gun control ( Australia comes to mind ) but not the U.S.....this is a country which put man on the moon, a task humanity thought was impossible, but they did it.....so it is easier putting man on the moon than gun control? The reason they could do one but not the other....they wanted to.
You are politically naive if you think that.

The main thing that sticks in my craw is you saying "who cares" about the 50 dead and over 200 injured. F**k legislation and the war between the right and the left or lack thereof regarding gun control in the US. THESE lives mattered, for you you to say "who cares" is a disgrace. Ch**st it was about half the Canadian lives lost in Afghanistan. For shame for you saying that.

You stand on your ideological pulpit while I sit in mourning for those lost and injured. I am comfortable with my position.

I have to say I have lost some respect for your way of thinking.
 

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Steve read the license requirements for guns, take Michigan for example, then compare for drivers license. Or you could look up articles on The Huffington Post, CNN, Washington Post, New York Times, Chicago Tribune, or, which is more fun, walk into a store like Meijers, Bass Pro, etc and just watch and listen....go to traveling Gun Show.....just watch and listen. I’ve done that and it’s harder getting your drivers license...we can debate but drive down to Plattsburgh sometime check it out...
 

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An interesting development....

Stephen Paddock's father was on FBI's 10 most wanted list



The Las Vegas shooter's father was once on the FBI's 10 most wanted list.

Stephen Paddock killed more than 58 people when he opened fire on a concert in Las Vegas, spraying a concert with a hail of bullets. He shot himself before he could be apprehended.

And it has now emerged that his father, Patrick Benjamin Paddock, was known as a violent bank robber during the 1960s and 1970s. His crimes made him one of the most notorious criminals in the US during his heyday.

An FBI poster that is available online says that the Las Vegas killer's father “diagnosed as psychopathic, has carried firearms in commission of bank robberies” and “reportedly has suicidal tendencies and should be considered armed and very dangerous.”

Local news reports soon after his crimes were reported said that neighbours "couldn’t believe that the colorful businessman, then 34 years old, was involved in crime". Another report says that he was captured in 1978, when he was running a bingo parlor.

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The older Paddock was also involved in a violent attack in Las Vegas, according to a contemporaneous report in Tucson's Daily Citizen. When he was apprehended by the FBI, he attempted to run down an agent using his car, the report said.
 

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You are politically naive if you think that.

The main thing that sticks in my craw is you saying "who cares" about the 50 dead and over 200 injured. F**k legislation and the war between the right and the left or lack thereof regarding gun control in the US. THESE lives mattered, for you you to say "who cares" is a disgrace. Ch**st it was about half the Canadian lives lost in Afghanistan. For shame for you saying that.

You stand on your ideological pulpit while I sit in mourning for those lost and injured. I am comfortable with my position.

I have to say I have lost some respect for your way of thinking.
Steve, that is your right, but I have many contacts in the U.S., and right now they are praying for the families of the dead and injured, they did that when it happened in Colorado, Florida, New Jersey, Virginia, and now Nevada...what they should be doing is preying on the politicians .... use the “money is freedom of speech” the SCOUS said was fine and defeat their elected officials who are dragging their feet on sane gun control. Mark my words, a month from now we will be having this discussion again, only it will be some other city and some other unfortunates....and if you want to know what sad is.....it’s the fact that there was no change....
 

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I went to university in the US at the height of the Vietnam war, worked in the US extensively and have friends that live there. I don't discuss guns with those friends anymore. They're not going to change my opinion nor will I change theirs.

I agree with Rps, the average person in America will not push for gun reform rather they will focus on the next sports story or Trumpism.
 

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It's the culture as much as anything else. The Swiss all have rifles, but they're not used like this. Not hard for Canadians to amass a load of weaponry either--but our overall national psyche is different.
 

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Correction: SECOND worst mass shooting in US history:

#1: December 29th, 1890 // Wounded Knee, South Dakota
  • 150-300 killed:
  • 90 men killed
  • 200 women and children killed
  • 51 wounded
 

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It's the culture as much as anything else. The Swiss all have rifles, but they're not used like this. Not hard for Canadians to amass a load of weaponry either--but our overall national psyche is different.
That is the real issue that has no real answer on how to fix it. If you toughen gun laws now it will not change a thing, they are out there by the hundreds of thousands. The guns are not in themselves evil, it is the people using them. Fix the nut cases and you have no gun control problems.
 

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It's the culture as much as anything else. The Swiss all have rifles, but they're not used like this. Not hard for Canadians to amass a load of weaponry either--but our overall national psyche is different.
Agreed, and the culture will be hard to change.....what will you bet gun sales and stocks will rise by double digits today....
 
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