Lack of Apple stores in Canada

Chas3 said:

I love apple resellers but their is a limit, why are the majority ONLY in Toronto, why don't they put more apple stores out in big cities, like London, Ontario? *10th biggest city in Canada

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Déjà Vu.

Chas3 said:

I love apple resellers but their is a limit, why are the majority ONLY in Toronto, why don't they put more apple stores out in big cities

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"They"? Who are "They"?

Apple resellers in Canada are individual business owners who decide where to open stores based on what *they* want and need - not what you want and need.

Montreal area has one too

Just a minor correction. There is one Apple store outside of the Toronto area in Montreal.

I also understand that there are unconfirmed reports that one will be opening up this year in Calgary.

yes? london needs one

There is a Mostly Digital in London. They carry everything you can get from Apple short of maybe Xserves and fully loaded Macpro's.

From what I hear there is supposed to be an Apple store opening up sometime in the near future in London. As to when? I don't know I'm new to London.

Re: Lack of Apple Stores in Canada

Chas3 said:

I love apple resellers but their is a limit, why are the majority ONLY in Toronto, why don't they put more apple stores out in big cities, like London, Ontario? *10th biggest city in Canada

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Your definition of "Canada" seems a little limited. There are no shortage of Mac resellers and specialists in Victoria and Vancouver, the two areas I'm familiar with. I don't know about the rest of BC, but it seems adequately covered for the population of that province IMO.

If London, Ont. is the 10th biggest city in Canada, it's pretty far down the list to get an Apple Store proper -- Vancouver is only JUST NOW building one, and it's got to be the 3rd or 4th largest in the country.

The bottom line is that for most people in Canada (which has a smaller total population than California, let's remember), resellers and specialists will be IT for a very long time indeed (other than people who live in the metro area of the five or six biggest cities).

Not posting this to lecture, but to do a "reality check" and also to point out that Chas3 and myself are not the same person!

Yea I think Vancouver, Calgary, and Edmonton are next on the list. Hopefully Winnipeg. London can wait its turn. Even then I'd be supporting MacStation. The Apple stores are great for introducing people to Apple but true Mac users know that the independent Mac dealers are the ones to go to.

Well, being from Ottawa, I think Ottawa should be next, it is the fourth largest metropolitan area next to Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver! It's also a high tech area but notoriously cheap "High end" retailers don't do as well in Ottawa.

I went to an Apple Store in the La Cantera mall in San Antonio and it was pretty dead compared to Apple Stores in Toronto. I think a store in Ottawa could easily be busier than that one in San Antonio. Then again, there's lots of money in Texas

wcg said:

Well, being from Ottawa, I think Ottawa should be next...

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As always gets pointed out (usually by me), it doesn't matter what *we* think should be next.

Apple builds stores based on internal criteria - location, price, population, etc - that has *nothing* to do with what *we* think.

ShawnKing said:

As always gets pointed out (usually by me), it doesn't matter what *we* think should be next.)

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I don't really expect one in Ottawa anytime soon although I think we could support one. I think most, if not all, of us on this forum doubt that we have any influence on Apple. I would be chuffed if London got one before Ottawa, however. tptptptp

wcg said:

I think most, if not all, of us on this forum doubt that we have any influence on Apple.

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I would disagree with that. I think a lot of people falsely think Apple pays attention to the Mac Community.

It would be nice if they had a reseller here in The Hammer, but that would give me less of an excuse to trek to Hogtown, where I do much of my shopping anyways. For such a big city, we have little more than a Princess Auto to shop at...

I think Calgary should be next... the east have like 3 Apple stores? And the west side? NONE! So yup, Calgary should be next, given the increase in popultion and the increase in $ in ppl's pocket from the oil boom, why not try to get some of those extra $ in ppl's pocket

tacsniper said:

why not try to get some of those extra $ in ppl's pocket

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Because Apple builds stores based on internal criteria - location, price, population, etc - that has *nothing* to do with what *we* think.

I dont think apple stores are as good as resellers...there is bound to be an apple store in a city of over 100,000 people. There is one in the middle of the boonies in a native reserve near where I live. OR just order online, not a biggy.

Chas3 said:

I love apple resellers but their is a limit, why are the majority ONLY in Toronto, why don't they put more apple stores out in big cities, like London, Ontario? *10th biggest city in Canada

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First, sorry to **** about grammar, but there.

Second, with a population of less than half a million people and even given Apple's 8.1% (US) market share that's less than a 4000 person target audience in the greater London area... Is that really enough to support a store??

Apple really only wants to put an Apple store for symbolic presence. There is no need for a store in London really. You can get all your needs at resellers, there must be several there. Apple only puts stores in big commercial attractions like Yorkdale and the Eaton's Centre in Toronto. If they put one in Edmonton it would be at the West Ed. Mall. Besides Apple resellers usually have better sales than Apple stores do, Apple stores only have black Friday once a year.

businesses go where the people are. there are lots and lots of people in the GTA, but only about 1/6th the number in London.

It's no big stretch to see why they are went from TO (biggest city by pop. in Canada) to Montreal (2nd biggest by pop.) and that the next rumoured store is Calgary (3rd biggest by pop.) and to Vancouver (which by itself is #8, but with Surrey and Burnaby and Richmond and North Van and so on is #2 or #3).

Adrian. said:

Apple really only wants to put an Apple store for symbolic presence.

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Huh? What does that mean?

There is no need for a store in London really. You can get all your needs at resellers, there must be several there.

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That's true of a lot of places Apple puts their stores - having other resellers around doesn't stop Apple from putting up one of their own stores.

Apple only puts stores in big commercial attractions like Yorkdale and the Eaton's Centre in Toronto.

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Not even close to being true. There are plenty of examples of Apple stores that aren't in locations you describe. For example, there is one outside of Memphis, TN in a little strip mall.

If they put one in Edmonton it would be at the West Ed. Mall.

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Not necessarily.

Besides Apple resellers usually have better sales than Apple stores do

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That's a huge generalization and, like most generalizations, mostly wrong.

Apple stores only have black Friday once a year.

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And why do you think that is? Maybe it's because Apple *doesn't need to have sales* because they are selling everything they make at full price. Why have a sale when people are willing to pay full price?