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Is there a way to start up a Mac desktop, and not have it automatically make a WIFi connection to the internet?

The Mac in question has been set up for a WIFI connection.
 

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But it has to be on to do that. I want the computer to start up, without an internet connection, from a dead stop.

I'll probably just turn off the modem/router, before firing up the computer. I was just wondering if there was a way to do it another way to do it.
 

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But it has to be on to do that. I want the computer to start up, without an internet connection, from a dead stop.
Try deleting the existing connection under the Advanced option and save and apply the new settings:
See here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8qkj5C9Fag

Don't forget some Macs often need some internet connections ie. Date and Time at boot time to keep data and files in proper order.


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I just fired it up, and as quick as I could, turned off the WIFI.

Appears that I was quick enough.
 

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I just fired it up, and as quick as I could, turned off the WIFI.

Appears that I was quick enough.

Just curious, but what are you trying to avoid or accomplish by disabling your Wi-Fi so fast????



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The are two reasons why I didn't want an automatic internet connection on startup. First, I didn't want any Apple software automatically downloaded/installed. Second, I didn't want my Safari bookmarks on this particular computer synced. In early October, I had a bookmark syncing problem that I basically rectified myself. The two links below, and just two of my many posts, should explain what happened.

Anyway, this particular computer is a 5 year old, 27 inch, 3TB fusion drive, that had the drive replaced by Apple last summer. It has the latest Mojave, and is now just a spare. This Mac hadn't been running since the spring, or early summer.

As I previously stated, as soon as the computer started up and I gained access to the controls, I turned off the WIFI.

I then went over to Software Update. Fortunately, automatically install macOS updates and download new updates when available, were not checked.

I then went over to iCloud/Safari. It had a checkmark, which I quickly unchecked.

With bated breath, I checked the Safari bookmarks on my other devices. Fortunately, they had remained intact, confirming that the synced bookmarks remained uncorrupted.

I then nuked all traces of the Safari bookmarks on the newly fired up computer, about three times. I then clicked on the iCloud/Safari box to start syncing, and waited nervously for the correct bookmarks to show up. Which they eventually did, and the correct bookmarks remained on the Cloud. And so far, the Safari bookmark problem has remained absent.

All Macs are still running the latest Mojave. All Macs except for the notebook are still running the most recent Safari 12. The notebook is running the latest 'Safari The Thirteenth'.

The iPad Pro is running the latest operating system. The 6 year old (Perpetual motion) iPad is running the most recent operating system that can be installed on it.

On final note, when I selected iCloud/Safari on the Mac in question, the checkmark did not immediately show up. But it eventually did. I had noticed the same thing happen on at least one of the other computers when I finally got the other devices to sync last month.

Back when the bookmark problem showed up, I would click the iCloud/safari box twice in secession, to get the checkmark to show. I'm now wondering if I shouldn't have clicked the box twice.


Below are links the bookmark problem, and what I did to rectify it.

Installed Safari 13.0 and now have a bookmarks problem
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250648574

This morning I installed Safari 13.0 on a MacBook Pro running the latest Mojave OS.

The first thing that I noticed was a problem with the Safari bookmarks. Namely, the bookmarks were out of order in one of the bookmark folders. I then, in turn noticed that they were also out of order in the same Safari bookmark folder in two of the desktops running the latest Mojave and the iPad Pro running the latest OS 12. The only Safari bookmarks that weren’t affected were on an ancient iPad with its most allowable update.

The two desktops are backed up with Time Machine. I have restored the correct bookmarks numerous times, but whenever I attempted to sync the updated bookmarks to iCloud, the bookmarks in the problematic folder reverted back to the out of order positions.

I have tried this https://support.apple.com/en-in/HT203519 on both desktops, the MacBook, and the iPad Pro, numerous times. But no joy.

How do I force iCloud to backup my selected Safari bookmarks?

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Bookmark Syncing is Broke in Catalina
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/250717075

Here is what I did to sync the correct bookmarks that were on the source device, and so far have remained correct on the source device.

1/ Safe start.

2/ Selected normal user.

3/ Turned off Firewall.

4/ Selected WIFI from DSL modem (AirPort).

5/ Deleted bookmark prefs.

6/ Opened Safari and deleted generic bookmarks that showed up from somewhere. Closed and opened Safari. If generic bookmarks kept showing up, continued to delete them until they no longer showed up.

7/ With Safari closed, deposited the correct bookmark prefs in the Safari folder.

8/ Selected to sync bookmarks. NOTE: Checkmark didn’t show for a time. It finally showed in the box. Previously, I had always immediately clicked the box a second time to have the checkmark show in the box. Perhaps this was a mistake and I should have allowed the checkmark to show up on its own.

9/ Bookmark syncing was very quick.

10/ The bookmarks are normally kept in six folders, and which are the only things showing in the favourites bar. Not only did the folders show up in the favourites bar, they have remained there. And the folders have retained the correct bookmarks.

11/ As with the problems that I’ve had previously, loose bookmarks again showed up that were outside of the folders. Took a few tries of deleting them, after opening and then closing Safari a few times. Finally had success.



As for now, attempting to sync the correct bookmarks to the other iMac, and the MacBook Pro, I haven’t made the attempt. But I have done the above steps one through six on them.



Nothing has been tried on the iPads as yet, but bookmark syncing is turned off on both of them.



Coming up to three hours, and I just closed and opened Safari. The bookmark problem is nowhere to be seen.



Still in the Safe Mode, Firewall still off, and still on AirPort WIFI which is connected to the DSL modem.



Now to see if the other devices will successfully receive the correct bookmarks from iCloud, and the correct bookmarks remain on the source device.



If there is a successful migration, it’ll then be a normal start, FireWall on, and back to using the cable modem for both a hard wire connection, and WIFI.



Fingers crossed.
 

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Fingers crossed.

Gheese...!!! That sounds like enough to drive a guy to drink from frustration, and it sure doesn't sound like Apple's adage "It just works!!!"

Sure hope it all gets sorted out for you and starts working as it should do.


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Gheese...!!! That sounds like enough to drive a guy to drink from frustration, and it sure doesn't sound like Apple's adage "It just works!!!"

Sure hope it all gets sorted out for you and starts working as it should do.


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As mentioned in my previous post, all continues to be well with the bookmark syncing.

Three desktops, the notebook, and the iPad Pro, are all syncing okay. Only the old iPad has bookmark syncing turned off, since it isn't that critical to keep them up to date on it. Plus, I'm not sure if syncing would actually work and not corrupt the iCloud bookmarks, because the OS is so old.

At least the most recent OS on the iPad Pro hasn't corrupted the iCloud bookmarks. And the notebook with the most recent 'Safari The Thirteenth' hasn't corrupted them again.

One of these days I'll get around to updating to 'Safari The Thirteenth' on the three desktops. And eventually, I'll bite the bullet and start gradually installing Catalina on the least important Macs. The 2015 21.5 inch Mac runs Mojave on an external Samsung SSD, because the built in rotary was too slow. The internal HD runs Mojave in a very stripped down condition. It'll make an excellent crash test dummy for maybe Catalina 10.15.2.

I'm going to quit clicking the iCloud/Safari box a second time if the checkmark doesn't immediately show up after the first click. I continue to wonder if that was the problem right from the start. Once I had quit doing that, the checkmark eventually showed up in the box on its own.
 

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That's so last decade! Which is the last time I remember things Just Working.

I guess I come close to that buy mainly sticking with and using updated Mavericks v. 10.9.5 that was first released with the first version October 22, 2013. Unfortunately, even it has some things that either don't work properly or some feature that was removed, and neither never to be fixed or improved. :-(

It's too bad that Apple didn't keep their tradition of updating and fixing previous bugs as they did with a Snow Leopard. As you say, a decade ago since it was released, June 2009.

At least they are now going to start using a new testing method before they release a new iOS or beta to the General public, as their last iOS 13.x.x was such a disaster with a total now of 8 version releases. Almost a record for any almost FUBAR OS version I would think!!!

And no, it's not just because Steve Jobs is not at the helm any longer!!! He alone caused some OS goof-ups and prevented some OS improvements and advancements.

I now return to the original topic thread....


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