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The hacked OEM Radeon 9800. It's a 4x AGP card with a couple of traces on the board cut so that it works in 2x AGP slot G4s.

These are the cards that shipped stock from Apple in G5 desktops, with 64 MB Video RAM, not the ones later sold aftermarket by ATI with 128 and 256 MB.

Try accelerateyourmac dotcom for more info. Other World Computing used to sell them, but that was a while ago.
 

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The hacked OEM Radeon 9800. It's a 4x AGP card with a couple of traces on the board cut so that it works in 2x AGP slot G4s.

These are the cards that shipped stock from Apple in G5 desktops, with 64 MB Video RAM, not the ones later sold aftermarket by ATI with 128 and 256 MB.

Try accelerateyourmac dotcom for more info. Other World Computing used to sell them, but that was a while ago.
Thanks, so basically it's not easily attainable?
 

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If you're willing to take a chance on modded hardware (PC graphics cards flashed with Mac ROMs), you can find on eBay modified 4x/8x AGP 128 MB and 256 MB Radeon 9800 Pro cards that should work with your G4. I've had good experiences with AppleMacanix, which is an eBay seller who deals in these kinds of cards.

Also, if you're planning on running OS 9, the fastest card which you can use is the GeForce 4Ti.
 

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There is a retail Mac version that does not require hacking to work in a G4. They may be hard to find but if you are willing to pay I am sure ebay has a couple.
 

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The Mac version ATI retail box Radeon Pro's are quite rare ... ATI sold very few of them ... they were $300 cards.

The PC version of the retail box Radeon Pro's are much more common, and sold for about $100 less. Although flashing the ROM is not trivial (it can turn the card into an interesting paperweight if done wrong) its not impossible either and there was at one time a thriving eBay market for them, and a lot of units were sold that were already flashed by competent hobbyists.

In both cases the 128 MB cards are much more common; the Mac 256's were not available at all until late in the production run.

The OEM 9800s are also reasonably common, since they were often pulled from G5's and replaced with other cards. They sold for around $100.

The Nvidia cards that fit these Macs are decent speed-wise but are not nearly as sharp as the ATI's. For example, 8 point type is very much noticeably more readable on the Radeons.

You will only use the extra RAM of the 128 and 256 cards if you do gaming, and only with a few titles at that ... ones that can access certain optimizations on the card. For everyday use the 64 is just as good. The 2x AGP bus speed is the bottleneck, not the video RAM.

Keep your eyes open, and just make sure whatever you buy will work in a 2x AGP slot.

You will also want to insure the card supports Quartz Extreme for use with OSX 10.4 and later. That means one of the following:
NVIDIA GeForce2 MX, GeForce3, GeForce4 MX, or GeForce4 Ti or any AGP-based ATI RADEON GPU. A minimum of 16MB VRAM is required.
 

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Or buy a G5 dual for $200-300 and have more fun chasing THOSE cards ;)

at least some of them qualify as industrial art

 

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Hey, I'm just wondering what the fastest video card would be for a PowerMac G4 1.25GHz I just bought?
I also have the same or similar Mac model and when I checked a few years ago, the fastest card was the ATI Radeon 9800 256MB AGP card, that also was Core Image: Hardware Accelerated compatible.

I just sold it via this site earlier this year for a bargain $125.00!!!

My newer Intel iMac now does the graphic/video tasks and I needed to install the original G4 video card to run the Apple Display with it's AGP connection.
 

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Fastest or best?

Radeon 8500 AGP 64MB DDR was the best card back when I was searching for one,
I ended up settling for something else, I think I bought the ATI Radeon 9000 Pro 64MB (DVI/ADC)

The Radeon 8500 AGP 64MB DDR card can still be had though,
They are getting cheaper and cheaper, Just googled this one for $77.60 U.S.D.

Great card, It has a lot of nice features.

Mac ATi Radeon 8500 64MB DDR For All G4 AGP Video card

Model : ATi Radeon 8500
VRAM : 64MB 128-bit DDR
Slot Compatibility : AGP 2x/4x/8x
ROM (Firmware) vevision : v227 (Latest)
Memory Clock : 250MHz (500MHz DDR)
GPU Clock : 275Mhz
Hardware Compatibility : Any G4 with AGP slot
OS Compatibility : OS 9.2.2 (Full 3D Acceleration), OS X 10.2 Jaguar – 10.5.7 Leopard
Connectors : DVI-I, VGA
Display Modes : VGA, DVI, VGA DVI, VGA VGA (w/DVI>VGA adapter), Extended Desktop, Mirrored Display



Maximum Analog Resolution : 2048 x 1536 @ 85hz
Maximum DVI Resolution : 1920 x 1200 @ 60hz (up to 23″ Apple Cinema HD Display)
Condition : Slightly Used
Package Includes : 1x Video Card, 1x DVI >VGA Adapter, and 1x ATi Softwares Update Disc

Remark : Best Support OS9 Card, OS9 Full 3D Acceleration.
100% Guaranteed Good Condition, Modified Card Compatible For All PowerMac G4 2x 4x AGP.
 

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This'll give you an idea of what is available out there.

Listing quoted from Low End Mac, Best PowerMac G4 and AGP Video Card Prices:

AGP Video Cards

Except for the Yikes! model, all of these Power Macs accept one AGP video card. If you want to replace that card, there are plenty of options. Be sure to check compatibility with your model. If you want to add a second video card, it has to be a PCI card - see our Power Mac G3 Deals for a listing of PCI video cards.

If you need a video card that supports OpenGL2, the minimum is the Radeon 9600 or the GeForce 6600, and you'll need at least 64 MB of VRAM. OpenGL2 also requires Mac OS X 10.5 "Leopard".

Applemacanix

Shipping adds $7.50 to $9.50. Applemacanix sells flashed PCI and AGP video cards. Applemacanix also has a 6-port USB 2.0 card for $13.50.

Radeon 7000, 32 MB, VGA, $17.50
Radeon 7000, 64 MB, VGA x 2, $29.50
Radeon 9200, 64 MB, VGA/DVI, $59.50
Radeon 9200, 128 MB, VGA/DVI, $89.50
Radeon 9800 Pro, 128 MB, VGA/DVI, $89.50
Radeon 9800 Pro, 256 MB, VGA/DVI/S-video, $172.25
Radeon 9800 XT, 256 MB, VGA/DVI/S-video, $189
Radeon X800 XT, 256 MB, VGA x 2, $174.50
GeForce 6800 GT, 256 MB, VGA/DVI, $199.65
GeForce 7800 GS, 256 MB, VGA/DVI, $199.99
GeForce 7800 GT, 256 MB, VGA/DVI, $249.65
DV Warehouse

Shipping may add $14 or more.

Rage 128 Pro AGP, 16 MB, DVI/VGA, $9.95
Radeon 9000 Pro, 64 MB, DVI/ADC, $48
Radeon 9200 Pro, 64 MB, DVI/VGA/S-video, $124
GeForce 4MX, 64 MB, ADC/DVI, $38.95
GeForce 4 Titanium, 128 MB, DVI/ADC, $128
nVidia NV-11, ADC/VGA, works in Cube, $22.95
MacResource

Shipping may add $22 or more.

Rage 128 AGP, VGA?, 16 MB, $49.99
Radeon, 32 GB, $89.99
Radeon 7500, ADC/VGA, $119.99
Radeon 8500, $199.99
GeForce 2MX dual monitor, $159.99
GeForce 4MX dual monitor, $249.99
Operator Headgap

When buying, please let Operator Headgap know you heard about them on Low End Mac when entering your shipping information. Thanks!

ATI Rage Pro AGP, 16 MB, ADC/VGA, $49.77 shipped
GeForce 2MX, 32 MB, ADC/VGA, not for Sawtooth, $79.77 shipped
nVidia FX5200, 128 MB, VGA only, Core Video support, $99.77 shipped
nVidia FX5200, 256 MB, VGA only, Core Video support, $119.77 shipped
GeForce 4MX, 32 MB, ADC/DVI, not for Sawtooth, $139.77 shipped
Wegener Media

ATI Rage 128, 16 MB AGP video card, VGA only, $14.99
We Love Macs

Rage 128 Pro, 16 MB, VGA/DVI, $49.95
Rage 128 Pro, 16 MB, ADC/VGA, $99.95
Radeon 7500, 32 MB, $129.95
Radeon 9000, 64 MB, $199.95
GeForce 2 MX, 32 MB, $149.95
GeForce 4 MX, 64 MB, $179.95
GeForce Ti4600, 128 MB, $329.95
 

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Sorry, and I'd suggest you keep searching for the same card if you want the best and fastest, (at least in my experience and checking) and maybe ignoring what another previous poster said, that the "Radeon 8500 AGP 64MB DDR was the best card back when I was searching for one, I ended up settling for something else, I think I bought the ATI Radeon 9000 Pro 64MB (DVI/ADC)"

Hmmm... The included 64MB vram vs 256MB and any core graphics support can make a HUGE difference and with it installed, you can also install all the Mac OS compatible high-end iLife applications.

Bottom line, get the compatible 256MB vram version video card.
 

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I also have the same or similar Mac model and when I checked a few years ago, the fastest card was the ATI Radeon 9800 256MB AGP card, that also was Core Image: Hardware Accelerated compatible.
All the Radeon 9800 Pro's are Core Image: Hardware Accelerated compatible, regardless of video memory. That's why I changed to one from a Radeon 9000, and that's why I feel they are the best options when looking for a card for a 2x AGP slot Mac. Most (if not all ... you'd have to check) of the other 2x AGP options are not CI HA compatible.
 

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Sorry, and I'd suggest you keep searching for the same card if you want the best and fastest, (at least in my experience and checking) and maybe ignoring what another previous poster said, that the "Radeon 8500 AGP 64MB DDR was the best card back when I was searching for one, I ended up settling for something else, I think I bought the ATI Radeon 9000 Pro 64MB (DVI/ADC)"

Hmmm... The included 64MB vram vs 256MB and any core graphics support can make a HUGE difference and with it installed, you can also install all the Mac OS compatible high-end iLife applications.

Bottom line, get the compatible 256MB vram version video card.
From an old time gaming point of view, I only mentioned the 8500,
But that was something in my past, Not necessarily what should have been recommended.

Sure, Go for the 256 mb cards...Bigger better faster, Sorry I mentioned it.
 

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Though the use might have some bearing to what should be recommended. Will you use OS 9? will you stretch the limits and play games? I was perfectly fine with the stock radeon 9000 64mb in my G4 tower about 6-7 months ago.
 

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the fastest possible card for a powermac g4 for os9 is the geforce ti 4600 or 4800
the one id reccommend the most is the radeon 8500 which is actually better then the 9000 (higher numbers arent always better)

for a g3 i think the best card is a radeon 9200 pci
 
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