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Michael Harris writing at iPolitics in the aftermath of the Auditor General's report on the F-35 fiasco:
Since the finding that the Harper government was in contempt of parliament, it has all been downhill. The committee system is now like a perpetual meeting of the Skull and Bones society. When asked a question, no member of the government front bench seems to understand either of the official languages. When ministers are found in conflict of interest, the prime minister blows it off as unimportant. And now, after six years of stonewalling over the same issue that led to the contempt of parliament finding, the facts show that the government continued to mislead parliament on the F-35 file. Of course, it was somebody else's fault. This government has not only politicized public servants, it has turned them into cannon fodder.


Holy parliamentary democracy, Batman!
What about ministerial responsibility?


The rest of it is good too.
 

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Our Glorious ReformaTory has finally brought clarity and transparency to Parliament.

Nothing he proposes holds water and he believes he can do no wrong, well as long as it can't be seen then it must be clearly transparent.

All that will be left behind for Canada is muck and mire.
 

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Our Glorious ReformaTory has finally brought clarity and transparency to Parliament.

Nothing he proposes holds water and he believes he can do no wrong, well as long as it can't be seen then it must be clearly transparent.

All that will be left behind for Canada is muck and mire.
Sounds like something Robert Service might write ............. "muck and mire".

There are strange things done in the midnight sun
By the men who moil for gold;
The Arctic trails have their secret tales
That would make your blood run cold;
The Northern Lights have seen queer sights,
But the queerest they ever did see
Was that night on the marge of Lake Lebarge
I cremated the NDP.

(with apologies to Robert W. Service)
 

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The auditor general’s comments after committee Thursday morning bled into question period a short time later. Michael Ferguson told reporters that in March 2011, National Defence left off $10 billion from the pricetag it provided to the Parliamentary Budget Office. DND told the PBO that the full cost of the program would be around $14 billion, almost $11 billion short of the cost known by members of the government.

New Democrat MP Joe Comartin was the first up for the opposition. (Thomas Mulcair was in another part of the city preparing for a speech to the Economic Club of Canada — and, perhaps, rolling up his sleeves.) Comartin asked if the cabinet knew the true cost of the F-35?

The prime minister answered. Sort of. His statement was almost identical to what has been heard since Tuesday from the government side of the House:
1. Canada hasn’t actually purchased any planes.
2. The government has accepted the auditor general’s recommendations.
3. Public Works will report back on updated costs.

Interim Liberal leader Bob Rae tried a more direct route. He asked the PM when he became aware of the true cost of the jets.

The PM did not seem to not hear the question. In his response, he told the House that his government will accept the AG’s recommendations.

Rae tried again.

He noted that when Harper was in opposition, he “used the accountability word every day.” Now, Rae said, he’s leading a government that is an exercise in hypocrisy. Rae repeated his question: When did the prime minister know about the $25-billion figure?

“I understand the honourable member’s need for attention these days,” Harper replied to chuckles from his backbenches. There are no consequences to all of this yet, he said, because no money has been spent and no planes have been bought.

The person who needs attention is the prime minister of Canada, Rae countered, because it is the prime minister who is the one who refuses to tell the truth in the House.

To that, there were shouts of “shame!” from the government benches.
QP: Repeat after the PM:
‘No planes have been purchased’


Accountability,accountability.accountability? Just answer the damn question.
 

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Good point O'man good point. It should be the first questioned asked by every reporter interviewing the PM and the question every citizen should ask the PM, Cabinet Minister or Conservative MP that a citizen encounters.
 

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honest, open, and accountable.
 

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Of course, all this shameful lying by Harper and his ministers, puts into perspective their insistence they knew nothing about the voter suppression schemes.

Sure thing. Because they said so eh?
 

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honest, open, and accountable.
That is what the Conservative Party of Canada stood for when they first won a minority government. What happened now that they are The Harper Government of Canada???
 

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I'm done dancing around the elephant in the room.

Steven Harper lied to Canada.

The end.
 

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What's interesting are the number of right-leaning journalists and news outlets that are (publicly, at least) enraged over this. The National Post has been pretty vicious of late...
 

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So that's it then: They knew and they lied. To Parliament. To all of us.

If Auditor General Michael Ferguson's word is to be believed — and there is no reason to think that it isn't — then the federal cabinet and by extension the prime minister, and not just the anonymous gnomes in the Department of National Defence, are directly on the hook for the F-35 boondoggle, in the most egregious sense.

They knew before the last federal election that the jets would cost billions more than had been stated by DND — at least $10-billion more, around $25.1-billion. They allowed the department to publicly table an estimate of $14.7-billion.

"I can't speak to individuals who knew it, but it was information that was prepared by National Defence," Ferguson told reporters Thursday. "It's certainly my understanding that that would have been information that, yes, the government would have had."

He continued: "That $25-billion number was something I think that at that time was known to government." And, critically: "It would have been primarily members of the executive, yes."

So, this is no longer a matter of "it happened on their watch." It's a matter of whether there was outright deception, deliberate and premeditated, during an election campaign, on an issue of great national import, by the prime minister and members of the cabinet.

Again, if the AG is to be believed — one has to qualify, so explosive are his remarks — then the Harper government's credibility is in tatters, as is the prime minister's personal credibility. With more than three years to run in their mandate, the Tories have driven the bus into a concrete wall of their own making.

A-G shreds Harper's fig leaf of deniability on F-35 debacle

 

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I think it's bad enough that Harper himself, needs to resign.
 

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To be completely fair, as I am sure the apologists will point out; King Harpo stopped believing that lying to parliament and Canadians was bad, the day he was crowned.

His actions are now quite consistent with his revised personal code of ethics.
 

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Something that would never dawn on the trigger happy cons...
 

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Something that would never dawn on the trigger happy cons...
That would go against Social Darwinism, gt. What are you, some sort of creationist (i.e., create a better world for one and all) ???
 
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