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Are Mac fans critisizing Apple more harshly, these days? If so, is it justifiable?

http://www.macnet2.com/more.php?id=427_0_1_0

I must confess I didnlt read the entire rant. But, I will say that the canadian price for a new OS upgrade every year is a bit much to take. I also just bought a .Mac subscription and I'm out $160.00 after taxes. Don;t get me wrong: they're are both great technoloigies... but, are they THAt great? THAT often?

All of that is minor, however, in comparison to hardware defects. Anything Apple sells should be of the HIGHEST production and materials quality. BAR NONE! And, if something goers wrong, they should lick our boots EVERY TIME and fix it. A friend of mine -- a switcher -- bought a MDD Dual 1GHz G4. The thing (as we all know) was as loud as a tank! people al over the world complained of it, and Apple has always touted about how quiet their proiducts are. I know this usually refers to iMacs, but Powermac are used in many environments where there is a LOW TOLARANCE for noise (such as recording studios). They gave my bud such grief as he PUSHED to get that power supply replacement. With the money one spends on Apple hardware -- and the image that Apple tries to project of their productsa -- there should be First Class service, all the way! But, you have loud G4s, had defective CRTs in eMacs, "white dot" issues in iBooks/Powermacs -- AND single G5 Powermacs that are generally SLOWER than the dual G4 Powermacs they replace...

Dual 1.25GHz 32 bitG4, 1 MB L3 cache, a paltry 167MHz FSB, DDR333 SDRAM, ATA/100 drives

Single 1.6GHz 64 bitG5, NO L3 cache (WT heck?), 800 MHz FSB, 333 MHz PC2700 DDR RAM, Serial ATA...

and, you get THIS??! :

http://www.barefeats.com/g5.html

http://www.barefeats.com/pentium4.html

Thank God that at least the dual G5 kills the dual G4:

http://www.barefeats.com/g5sum.html

I don't know. Maybe I'm being unreasonable, but I would think that any ofthose G5's should NEVER EVER be bettered by ANY G4. Am I wrong, here?

BTW, someone posted this at another user group ("OS X For Users" at themacintoshguy.com):

"Monday Apple will bring out a G5 1.8/DP and the single 1.6 and 1.8 will be lowered in price. That's what a dealer told me.

Paul Moortgat"


Now, THIS would be very VERY cool. The I had always thought that the mid-level should be a duallie, too.
 

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OS X is da bomb... but their hardware could EASILY be better constructed and assembled. There's NO excuse, as this IS Apple.

So, what happened with your iBook? And, are you really going to dump your MDD G44 and iBook for a G5? Go dual or don't bother, man. I'll bet that Apple's sales breakdown across their powermac line would show that more people are ponying up for the duallie. Any of you retailers here want to add to that?
 

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You're right. It slipped my mind during my frenzy about Panther being mostly 32 bit. Nevertheless, my bitching remains. They SHOULD bee faster, yet. And Apple's customers SHOULD enjoy a higher level of QC and experience little to no grief when problems of APPLE's making exist.

Nobody should mistake my rant for being disgruntled enough to reverse-switch. I wouldn't migrate to Windows in a million years.
 

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At any rate, am I being unreasonable of expect superior performance out of Apple's low-en next-gen Powermac over the high-end last-gen?

Also guys, I think it's important -- and The Right Thing To Do™ -- to drag Apple or errant retailers up on the rug when they goof up. That way, we can hopefully ensure that the macworld thrives and gets better and better.

It's our platform to lose, citizens.
(hope that wasn't too corny :confused: )
 

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My comment about purchasing .Mac was not a complaint about it, sepifically. I appreciate the extra server space and dead-simple web page creation. I only brought it up in concert with the the annual OS upgrade, and that all of that can mount. As for Panther, if I was running a fast er mac than a G4/450, I probably might have taken a pass. But, I had read and of Panther being faster than Jag, and every little bit helps, down here at the low-end. But, Expose is truly phenominal, and I'm glad to use it. It actually caused me to get a multi-button mouse and map Expose to it.

The quality control in their hardware was my main bone of contention. I think the should be keepng a closer eye on this. As for the 10.2.8 debacle, I forgave them on that one, as it is indeed rare that Apple screws up an OS update -- until Panther's Firewire drive and Filevault bugs, that is!
 

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And regarding the noisy MDD they did supply a fix for it, and they did design the G5 to specifically address the problem of noise, so I'm not sure why you are whining.
This is a stupid reply. "It's broken. But buy a new one! That'll fix it!" What the hell are we talking about, here? A broken disposable lighter??!

We have ALWAYS enjoyed superior construction and assembly by Apple. Well, most of the time, we have. The Powerbook 520 that was my first Mac was pretty damned flimsy. But, that and anything pre-Jobs, I forgive. Anything since, however, should be either bang-on, or fixed witthout hassle. These aren;t PCs; THEY'RE MACS, and should be a cut above and held to that standard.
 

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Panther is actually one of the best product issue from Apple minds and enginerie.
But this cat has need to be controlled and drawn up.
Hey, I REALLY LOVED Panther out of the box. But it has dragged down a lot, and it happens at unpredictable times. I'm not convinced that Apple is the cause of it, however. I have moved any 3rd party components I felt safe in doing out of the root library and into my User Library. I have also created an additional dummy account. If my Mac grinds down to a halt again, I'll then log into the dummy account as well and see how IT responds. Hopefully, the dummy account will act as a "stock Apple bench" for me to compare. We'll see.
 
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