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So it looks like Apple will be jumping ship from Intel to their own processors again. I have not watched the event yet so maybe it was answered there, but will we be looking at a similar transition like the PPC to Intel? Any other issues to expect? I did read it should allow for iOS apps to work on a Mac... not sure I need that. I am not planning on upgrading anytime soon, my 5K iMac is still running strong thankfully. The way Apple has been going this just might be my last Mac. The few apps that keep me in High Sierra (will upgrade to Mojave soon) and away from El Capitan will mean finding new solutions anyways. Adobe is already cross platform with my subscription so changing over would not be all that expensive as I will be stuck finding a few small replacements for apps I have.
 

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I use Parallels to mount Windows so not an issue for me IF I ever get to that OS
 

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Windows 10, at least one of the later updates, supports ARM. So maybe in this case things will continue on as normal.
 

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There may be a few ehMacians who will be affected by this bit of news... Apple's move to ARM means no more Boot Camp, no more Windows on Mac....
This has been discussed in several fora, and I think that it's too early to assume that there will be no Windows on the Mac with ARM.

There have been X86 emulators for ARM for a long time.

And Wine is already running on ARM, there may not even be a need to run Windows to run Windows apps!
 

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it is still too early to fight about the windows option.. but the way intel is going, ARM and AMD will be a the new chips to want.
 

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I'm looking to upgrade my MBP, but debating waiting until ARM is out and can test it all out. I have a 2017 MBP fully loaded (at the time) - touchbar, 16GB RAM, 1TB.

My issue is that now I think I'm going to want to wait at least a year - for the second gen ARM (fix any hardware issues), plus all the software bugs to be worked out. I have a number of VMs in Parallels and VMWare Fusion (going back to WinXP) - not to mention the Adobe CC and MS Office suites. I need it all to work - I fear that it will take too long for those software vendors to catch up to speed.

Anyone know what the status is with any of those and ARM?
 

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... I have a number of VMs in Parallels and VMWare Fusion (going back to WinXP)
You will most likely want to continue running an Intel-based Mac. The VMs _may_ be able to run under Rosetta2 translating Intel to Arm but this would be some very serious magic. Getting decent performance while avoiding crashing glitches will be...hard. Maybe it can be done but if this stuff is important to you, you should wait to see that it really works well enough.

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Windows 10 runs on ARM processors already. Not sure if you need a specific version of Windows 10 or if it will natively do it. I do not think this is going to be as big a deal as people think.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/arm/
 

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I hope you're right. :D

Rumour has it that the 13" MBP is going to be part of the first lines to get ARM.

I'm just not convinced I should get the first gen. But it might be 2 years afterwards that it's updated when the final 16" MBPs are finally moved to ARM. Again, according to the leak/rumour.


Windows 10 runs on ARM processors already. Not sure if you need a specific version of Windows 10 or if it will natively do it. I do not think this is going to be as big a deal as people think.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/arm/
 

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Apple has proved, over & over again, that's it's folly to be an early adopter. I'm surprised they would be making the flagship MBP ARM first.
 

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Windows 10 runs on ARM processors already. Not sure if you need a specific version of Windows 10 or if it will natively do it. I do not think this is going to be as big a deal as people think.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/arm/
Windows on Arm is a red-headed bastard step-child with limited support. JLG's column on the Apple Silicone announcement included this:

"In 2012, Microsoft started the move away from Intel’s x86 processors with its first Surface machine running on an ARM SoC engine. It didn’t work too well. But Microsoft persisted and, late last year, came up with the Surface Pro X powered by another ARM-based SoC and running Windows on ARM. It was an improvement, but many reviewers still weren’t charmed. To cite but one problem, Microsoft’s bread and butter apps didn’t run in native mode."
https://mondaynote.com/apple-silicon-the-passing-of-wintel-79a5ef66ad2b

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Just to be clear, because this thread subject and content is misleading, Apple is NOT moving to ARM processors.

Apple is moving to Apple processors that are based on the ARM instruction set or architecture. ARM processors also implement the ARM architecture, but Apple does it differently in a way that is significantly different than an ARM processor, and applications that run on ARM processors won’t just run on Apple processors.

If you have the time and want more information on the difference, check out the following:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple-designed_processors
https://www.imore.com/mac-moving-apple-silicon-not-arm

The iMore one is very good layman explanation, as is Rene Richie’s forte.
 
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