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Today it was announced that the Canadian federal prison system is a complete and utter failure. Jaysus H Christ it's a prison. No prison should have any drugs inside the walls. If that many drugs make it in, something is very wrong.

As a matter of fact, this whole 'safe injection site' bullshite is ridiculous. It is akin to taking an alcoholic to a bar at happy hour and leaving him there with $100, all at taxpayer expense. We need to start teaching school children that if you take street drugs, you WILL die. And then let them if they take drugs later in life.

Federal prison in Alberta expected to be first to open supervised drug injection site

EDMONTON — The first supervised drug injection site in the federal corrections system is expected to open as early as the end of June at the penitentiary in Drumheller, Alta., according to the union representing federal correctional officers.

Correctional Service Canada, the government department that runs federal prisons across the country, has refused to confirm or deny whether or not the union’s statement was accurate.

“CSC received an exemption from Health Canada to permit the implementation of an overdose prevention service at Drumheller Institution,” said a statement emailed to the National Post Friday from Correctional Service Canada spokesperson Stephanie Stevenson. “Discussions and planning concerning the implementation of an overdose prevention service are ongoing.”

(Health Canada, which, the union said approves the permitting process for such facilities, said it “does not discuss the details regarding exemption applications.”)


However, Jeff Wilkins, national president of the Union of Canadian Correctional Officers, said his organization has been told it will be in place by month’s end.

The news comes as federal corrections officers planned to march through the streets of Ottawa Friday to protest the system currently in place in some prisons, a needle exchange that sees fresh needles distributed to inmates, who tend to have much higher rates of HIV and hepatitis C, to prevent needle-sharing.

“The correctional officers are dead set against the prison needle-exchange and the current way it’s being rolled out,” Wilkins told the Post in a Thursday interview, saying officers are concerned about their safety.

As it stands, inmates are given needles in their cells and it’s the responsibility of correctional officers to distribute them. Wilkins said this isn’t solving the problem of needle sharing, and that as harm reduction “is in fact a health-care issue,” a more effective program would include overdose-prevention sites staffed by health-care workers. The program at the Drumheller Institution, a medium-security prison about 130 northeast of Calgary, will be run by health-care workers “under the supervision of” correctional officers, Wilkins said.

"We recognize that drugs on occasion will make their way into our penitentiaries."
While needle exchanges in prisons have been around for a long time in other countries — Switzerland has had one since 1992 — the system in Canada is relatively new. A pilot project began in this country’s federal prison system in June 2018 at the Grand Valley Institution in Ontario and Atlantic Institution in New Brunswick. As of 2018, Correctional Service Canada estimated 1.2 per cent of inmates had HIV, a rate approaching 10 times that of the general population, where 65,000 of 37 million Canadians have HIV, according to the Canadian Foundation for AIDS Research.

In January 2019, the program was expanded to four other institutions. The government said there have been no overdoses in federal prisons as a result of the exchange program.

“As with all CSC policy and program decisions, the safety and security of staff, the public and inmates are always paramount,” said an email from Stevenson. “CSC continues to have discussions with unions and staff as the program rolls out to address any concerns.” She said there have been no instances of needles being used as weapons in Canadian prisons.

Wilkins said correctional officers have found one needle in the cell of an inmate to whom it was not given, suggesting prisoners are still sharing needles. “We know that they have the ability to share the needles that are being given to them by the government.”

The drugs that will be used at the site are contraband, said Stevenson, not provided by the government

“We recognize that drugs on occasion will make their way into our penitentiaries. Recognizing this reality, we have a responsibility to safeguard the well-being of those under our care,” she wrote.
https://www.thechronicleherald.ca/n...o-open-supervised-drug-injection-site-320073/
 

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Good luck finding a prison anywhere on this planet - perhaps not counting Singapore - where drugs haven't found there way inside. Where there are addicts, and profit to be made, a path will always open.

I do not understand your position on safe injection sites. They are in no way condoning the use of illegal drugs, and provide enormous benefits to society and to the possibility of rehabilitation, among other upsides. Here's what the City of Vancouver says about their supervised injection outreach programme:

Supervised injection sites are safe, health-focused places where people can inject drugs under the care of medical professionals.

How supervised injection sites help our communities

The benefits to offering supervised injection sites include:

  • Reduces number of overdose deaths
  • Provide a safe, clean, and secure place for users to inject while reducing the visibility of drug consumption on the street
  • Provides an opportunity for multiple contacts with health care staff, social workers, and other individuals who can help users move toward healthier choices, such as drug treatment programs, primary health care, and other social services
  • Reduces HIV and hepatitis C transmission, and ensures that injecting equipment remains inside and is not discarded in the community
  • Reduces risks to the community as the open consumption of drugs can be more easily discouraged
 

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This is why CM condones the establishment of supervised brothels in prisons. Since the inmates will have sex anyway, this will cut down on sexually transmitted diseases!
 

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After surgery back in 2009, my doctor prescribed 12 Opioid tablets for me to ease the pain, along with a stern warning not to take any more than I needed. I took just one per day for three days and hated the fact they made me feel like a zombie, so I quit and endured the pain while healing.

I have a very high pain threshold and can endure much pain. I returned the nine tablets to the pharmacy for disposal and have never used any opioid since. I simply use Tylenol to lessen any pain.

Every addict out there makes a conscious decision to take medications, and then another to seek more drugs on the street. Making society pay for their ill-advised decision is why I am against safe injection sites.

It was their decision to start down the path of street drug use, and it is their personal responsibility to quit. The vast majority of safe injection site users were not overprescribed by doctors, but rather began using street drugs all by themselves. Their decision, their fate.
 

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After surgery back in 2009, my doctor prescribed 12 Opioid tablets for me to ease the pain, along with a stern warning not to take any more than I needed. I took just one per day for three days and hated the fact they made me feel like a zombie, so I quit and endured the pain while healing.

I have a very high pain threshold and can endure much pain. I returned the nine tablets to the pharmacy for disposal and have never used any opioid since. I simply use Tylenol to lessen any pain.

Every addict out there makes a conscious decision to take medications, and then another to seek more drugs on the street. Making society pay for their ill-advised decision is why I am against safe injection sites.

It was their decision to start down the path of street drug use, and it is their personal responsibility to quit. The vast majority of safe injection site users were not overprescribed by doctors, but rather began using street drugs all by themselves. Their decision, their fate.
agree with you 100% - i was given Oxycodone/paracetamol as well.. after my oral surgery
it was absolutely awful experience and i hated it, same side affects with extreme nausea and confusion. .. after the first one i threw them down the toilet.. [ yes, i am guilty but i was extremely angry with them, with the doctor. ]

I am all for Darwinism.. I refuse to pay for some idiot to shoot up because they are doing it in front of an "adult" who is supervising.. only a liberal would think that is success.

only liberal thinks it is okay to keep a drug user addicted on my dime.. but then they frown on other forms of addiction.. hypocrisy .. what are you teaching the kids? its okay we got your back lol
 

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Making society pay for their ill-advised decision is why I am against safe injection sites.
Society pays by not making every effort to address the public health issue that is narcotics addition. Apart from the visible presence of junkies on the streets - a psychological negative for the community - you have increased risk of life-threatening or serious illnesses spread by users who re-use needles, become infected, and pass it on to folks who are *not* junkies. Wives / husbands / random partners.

The cost outlay for a program like this is minuscule in the face of the larger threat to public health.

But no, conservatives apparently are unable to get past their utter hatred for anyone who can't control their impulses and find themselves addicted. It's the same old schtick in line with "pull yourselves up by your bootstraps" (spoken to people who couldn't afford boots, and refusing to recognize systemic barriers to improving one's lot in life).
 

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Maybe subsidize the operations of drug lords and pushers to make these drugs more affordable to addicts. That way the addicts won't attack wives, husbands and random partners to steal the money to get those drugs.
 

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Hello, Bigot.

Since when have Progs ever been concerned about the cost of any gov't program?

The cost outlay for a program like this is minuscule in the face of the larger threat to public health.
 

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Hello, Bigot.

Since when have Progs ever been concerned about the cost of any gov't program?
He's adopting the language of the primitive conservative so he can preach the enlightened socialist message that brought wealth and prosperity to Cuba, Albania and Venezuela.
 

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He's adopting the language of the primitive conservative so he can preach the enlightened socialist message that brought wealth and prosperity to Cuba, Albania and Venezuela.
Ah.

I also find it interesting that Progs, a sect of society known to endorse abortions and suicide, is suddenly concerned about the sanctity of human life...
 

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Ah.

I also find it interesting that Progs, a sect of society known to endorse abortions and suicide, is suddenly concerned about the sanctity of human life...
Hey, the Earth Momma didn't like what you just said!
 

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Three articles critical of safe injection sites.

Vancouver's drug strategy has been a disaster. Be very wary of emulating it

These unhappy results can be seen a province away. Vancouver is into its second decade of dealing with an injected-drug crisis. The city has been concentrating more and more services in its Downtown Eastside. The result? Everything seems to be getting worse.

Homelessness numbers continue to rise. There were 2,138 homeless individuals in Vancouver in 2017 — compared to only 1,364 in 2005. Theft and violent crime in the Downtown Eastside have gone up since 2002. And as an overdose crisis sweeps Canada, Vancouver is its undisputed epicentre. Even with teams of naloxone-armed paramedics addressing a nightly rush of overdosed drug users, more than 100 people have died of overdoses in 2017 — with most of these occurring within the narrow borders of the Downtown Eastside.
Safe Injection Sites: Are They Really Safe for Communities?

Vancouver Police assigned many additional officers to that area – 90 initially, with somewhat less currently. What is the cost of that? How would such a resource need impact cities like Toronto and Ottawa amid growing concerns by taxpayers and elected officials over the rising cost of policing?
Safe Injection Sites Are Not the Answer

1. Bad Science – 33 studies that support Safe Injection Sites (that are rolled out repeatedly by proponents) were done by one person. Thomas Kerr, who received $2.61 million to conduct the studies AND was the original lobbyist who helped get InSite in Vancouver B.C. started.

Although SIFs (Safe Injection Facilities) are but one part of a much larger systemic response to the problem of substance abuse and intravenous drug use, they are too often credited with generating positive effects that are not borne out by solid empirical evidence. As a policy issue, the potential impacts of SIFs are simply too important, and too divisive, to be left to conjecture and inferences that cannot be supported. – A Critical Evaluation of the Effects of Safe Injection Facilities Garth Davies, Simon Fraser University The Journal of Global Drug Policy and Practice

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6. Will safe injection locations stop addicts from using in public places? Absolutely not! Vancouver sees 15,000 injections per day. InSite, their drug injection site, monitors just 600 injections per day.
 

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I wasn't rebutting any point, I was calling your opinion callous.
'K, I'll bite.

Why do you think MF's opinion on the topic is callous?
 

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Honestly, if you don't already know how advocating for the removal of a system that helps people every day is callous I don't really know how to help you see it.

And since you're also advocating for said removal, well, you know. Callous.

I'm sure you're about to come back with some "a-ha, he didn't literally say that" type argument so you can save that one. I'm sure you're probably thinking of re-directing the argument back to crime in the neighbourhoods too, a diversion from what we're actually talking about.

Ultimately, you're probably going to call me out for not being respectful or some other BS as well, but that will be rich coming from someone who starts every interaction with another user on the site by calling them a bigot.

So yes, he's callous. You;re callous. And so is the OP.
 

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Man, you're way off the mark. There are a lot of systems that "help people every day" by creating more problems than they solve or setting very bad precedents. Neighbourhood crime is one legitimate concern of these policies, not a diversion.

Honestly, if you don't already know how advocating for the removal of a system that helps people every day is callous I don't really know how to help you see it.

And since you're also advocating for said removal, well, you know. Callous.

I'm sure you're about to come back with some "a-ha, he didn't literally say that" type argument so you can save that one. I'm sure you're probably thinking of re-directing the argument back to crime in the neighbourhoods too, a diversion from what we're actually talking about.

Ultimately, you're probably going to call me out for not being respectful or some other BS as well, but that will be rich coming from someone who starts every interaction with another user on the site by calling them a bigot.

So yes, he's callous. You;re callous. And so is the OP.
 

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First of all, thank you for your response.

Second, if the solution is creating more problems than it's solving, then it ain't much of a solution, is it?

Honestly, if you don't already know how advocating for the removal of a system that helps people every day is callous I don't really know how to help you see it.
I don't recall saying anything about removing safe injection sites (correct me if I'm wrong). I do, however, have some fair criticism for the system as it currently exists.

And since you're also advocating for said removal, well, you know. Callous.
Nope.

I'm sure you're about to come back with some "a-ha, he didn't literally say that" type argument so you can save that one.
When defending one's position, one cannot merely pluck what may only be the good from the small picture. One has to step back & see the big picture. That includes increased crime in the neighbourhood and an increase in the number of indigents, for a start.

I'm sure you're probably thinking of re-directing the argument back to crime in the neighbourhoods too, a diversion from what we're actually talking about.
Nope.

Ultimately, you're probably going to call me out for not being respectful or some other BS as well...
Because, among a plethora of other negative traits, he is a bigot.

...but that will be rich coming from someone who starts every interaction with another user on the site by calling them a bigot.
 
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