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I might actually agree with you on this point, Macfury.
Actually no, he doesn't really. While there is some hit to the popularity poll as expected in something like this, check out Alberta, Ontario, and Manitoba in particular. So a bit of hand waving to ignore the obvious...

Man, look at Alberta and Ontario though. weeee.

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Actually no, he doesn't really. While there is some hit to the popularity poll as expected in something like this, check out Alberta, Ontario, and Manitoba in particular. So a bit of hand waving to ignore the obvious...

Man, look at Alberta and Ontario though. weeee.

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Am I correct that N= the number of people asked the question? If so can that poll really give an idea what the majority of any province is feeling about their premier? The numbers in Ontario would be 0.002% of the population, can we really accurately gage what people of that province are feeling on something so low?
 

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Polls tend to be about as accurate as how much someone agrees with it I guess ;)

regardless of what the actual numbers are, I dont think it's huge news that Ford and Kenny are desperately trying to crawl out of a hole they've sunk into.
 

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Am I correct that N= the number of people asked the question? If so can that poll really give an idea what the majority of any province is feeling about their premier? The numbers in Ontario would be 0.002% of the population, can we really accurately gage what people of that province are feeling on something so low?
Except that’s how pretty much all polls work.


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Except that’s how pretty much all polls work.


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Ha ha ha ha.

when faced with an uncomfortable truth, invariably the conversation will pivot to the validity of taking polls, even though the conservatives themselves (as do other parties) spend lots of money on internal polling using the same methods. There’s a hilarious Facebook thread the other week on this very thing, someone posted the dismal numbers these conservative premiers are showing, and their supporters turned the thread into a total circus of how inaccurate polls were and then it devolved into a frenzy of unfollow/unfriend (I think a band broke up in the process too ha ha) when really, at the end of the day, we all know how unpopular these premiers are in particular.

polls are quick snapshots taken on that particular day, and will change in heartbeat given whatever happens the following days. It’s useless to argue about them. Expecting them to be highly accurate and static means you don’t understand what they actually are.
 

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I question all polls no matter if they support something I believe in or not. It just does not make sense to me when so few people are polled and then used to build up a point. This does not seem like a quick snapshot again as so few people are polled. I am not sure what the point is of such polls with small numbers, is it simply click bait as people see something they like and then spread it around? Also I will say I don't think Doug Ford has been doing a good job so I am not try to defend him in anyway and I would general vote Conservative.
 

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It is... a quick snapshot, this is how polls have been done since, well, forever, as Freddie pointed out. As for clickbait? Possibly, depending on how they're spun I guess.

Don't conflate what they are. Often they are inaccurate. But obviously they're accurate enough or useful enough, that political parties, large companies etc. spend large budgets on them to help shape some decision making.
 

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It is... a quick snapshot, this is how polls have been done since, well, forever, as Freddie pointed out. As for clickbait? Possibly, depending on how they're spun I guess.

Don't conflate what they are. Often they are inaccurate. But obviously they're accurate enough or useful enough, that political parties, large companies etc. spend large budgets on them to help shape some decision making.
I am not involved in polling in anyway, but do you really think they use polls with such small numbers? How could they even be remotely accurate or trustworthy? If I was going to gage interest for a product in Toronto, I would not ask 58 people what they think and then make any decisions based on that.
 

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I am not involved in polling in anyway, but do you really think they use polls with such small numbers? How could they even be remotely accurate or trustworthy? If I was going to gage interest for a product in Toronto, I would not ask 58 people what they think and then make any decisions based on that.
It depends on how random the sampling is. If you target a specific population, it will skew the results. If you truly random sample, you can find trends.
 

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It depends on how random the sampling is. If you target a specific population, it will skew the results. If you truly random sample, you can find trends.
Random or not .002% of people, and in the case of Toronto is 58 people, can't give you anything remotely accurate or I would say even a flavour of what people think. I can see if you want to have your point seem more valid because of a poll you would accept this. I just don't think they are of any value and do nothing to give an idea of what the people of a province think or believe. Anyways this is well off topic now so I will leave it.
 

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I think I pretty much covered this. You can question this all you like, but clearly, as I stated already, many large companies employ these techniques obviously for a reason, they spend a lot of money on it... so they have obviously, over decades and a wealth of study and data determined there is enough accuracy that it's this wide spread and that valuable to them. It isn't as some try to characterize this, as some government waste, turning into a political squabble, (useless) or some plot of some sort, nor can you cherry pick low hanging fruit sections of how these polls are done and expect that that constitutes a valid question. You would be better off asking these questions of an experienced pollster who can fill in much more context that would answer why polling like this with small samples is used so extensively. Not just with the popularity of politicians, as I bet thats just the tip of the iceberg in the world of polling!
 

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Random or not .002% of people, and in the case of Toronto is 58 people, can't give you anything remotely accurate or I would say even a flavour of what people think. I can see if you want to have your point seem more valid because of a poll you would accept this. I just don't think they are of any value and do nothing to give an idea of what the people of a province think or believe. Anyways this is well off topic now so I will leave it.
58 people is not statistically significant. Then you need to check wheteher it was online poll (opt in) or whether there was a phone poll conducted. What questions were asked? The "Yeee-haw!" crowd does not ask these questions about the poll. Just a lot of "LULZ" and back-slapping.
 

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Between the member's predilection for micro penis gazing and knowledge of hairy ath porn sites, it seems we may have a fetishist amongst us.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.


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