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What do people think of the new contract? I don't know the details; I'm not a nurse. In an effort to keep nurses from going to the States where they can earn more and perhaps have better working conditions, senior nurses here have accepted an offer that will give them $43/hr in the third year of the settlement.

I have family members in the profession (not in my household) so I know the conditions which they work under, but it seems like an awfully large raise, especially since it may not translate into better patient care. There is a baby boom here and many new moms are being sent home much earlier than they were in the past--and with little education about caring for a newborn. Alberta seems to have the money, but not for everyone.

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I'm all for it, they deserve it. Alternatively, gov'ts should look at hiring more health care aids. Nurses do jobs they shouldn't, they should concentrate on the well being of patients, and seeing out doctors orders. Not changing soiled linens and mopping floors. My wife has come accross a few women who have come back from the States and they can't believe most of the crap they have to do up here.

And the stories of how she gets treated, ridiculous. She has been hit, spit at, faeces thrown at her, sexually harrased, any other normal work place the police would have been called, but not in the hospital. And for some reason, patients think that nurses are their personal slaves.

$43hr, good for them, too bad we just moved or we would concider Alberta too.
 

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I think the government wants to and has to open up more post secondary spaces in the nursing program in Alberta. Many students with decent grades are being turned away. They need 86% for most RN programs, I think.
 

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What do people think of the new contract? I don't know the details; I'm not a nurse. In an effort to keep nurses from going to the States where they can earn more and perhaps have better working conditions, senior nurses here have accepted an offer that will give them $43/hr in the third year of the settlement.

I have family members in the profession (not in my household) so I know the conditions which they work under, but it seems like an awfully large raise, especially since it may not translate into better patient care. There is a baby boom here and many new moms are being sent home much earlier than they were in the past--and with little education about caring for a newborn. Alberta seems to have the money, but not for everyone.

What are your thoughts?
I say privatize and outsource nurses. That will bring down the cost and I'm sure we can find immigrant to do the work. They have already done that for the cleaning crew and many other positions...


Higher salaries is hardly compensation for the fundamental problem of being overworked. As you pointed out, it does not mean better care.
 

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Higher salaries is hardly compensation for the fundamental problem of being overworked. As you pointed out, it does not mean better care.
Very true, burn out is a huge problem for nurses. We have an ex-nurse as our secretary making half of what she used to. Less stress is well worth it she says.
 

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Higher salaries is hardly compensation for the fundamental problem of being overworked. As you pointed out, it does not mean better care.
I believe in supply and demand. If you pay nurses more, more people will be willing to take on the job. Canada loses a lot of nurses to the US. If we pay them better, they are more likely to stay. It will also help to attract other qualified people who are employed on the periphery or in other fields.
 

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I believe in supply and demand. If you pay nurses more, more people will be willing to take on the job.
If you really believe that, then you have a lot to learn about being an effective manager.
Salary is only on part of the whole "employee" equation. Work environment, vacation, fringe benefits are often as important.....
 

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If you really believe that, then you have a lot to learn about being an effective manager.
Salary is only on part of the whole "employee" equation. Work environment, vacation, fringe benefits are often as important.....
Thanks for stating the obvious. Money is a factor to many people as well.
 

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I agree with JJ, nurses truly deserve this regardless of where they live. However, I know that in NL, we could never afford to pay nurses this sort of rate, which is why many are leaving NL for AB.
 

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The world has truly come to an end. I too (largely) agree with JumboJones! :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:
Nurses deserve this raise. Its doctors who need the salary cut. I know we need to keep medical costs down but nurses are way undervalued and way abused which is why so many leave Ontario, Canada, etc.
I hope this translates into better salaries and working condition for all of Canada's nurses.

As a side: this ties into an issue I'm working on for the upcoming Ontario Provincial election:
Benefits etc for part time workers in Ontario. Part Time workers should be entitled to the same benefits, and job protections (based on hours worked per week) as the full time workers in the same work place.
This ties into the nurses issue because in Ontario (probably the other provinces too) nurses have trouble getting full time positions BECAUSE employers do not wan to provide benefits. Many nurses in Toronto fill two or more part time positions to make up for this. They need the benefits their counterparts get. Comments?
 

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"This ties into the nurses issue because in Ontario (probably the other provinces too) nurses have trouble getting full time positions BECAUSE employers do not wan to provide benefits." That is the way it is here in NL for many nurses.
 

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I'm not sure if it is still like that in Alberta where employers want to keep nurses, especially those new to the profession, as casual or part-time with less benefits.
Something interesting about the new contract though, is its strong attempt to keep senior nurses, those with 20+ years experience, as mentors. As reported on CBC I think, senior nurses will be able to work part time hours over the weekend, but still get paid full time hours and not lose pension benefits.
 

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This ties into the nurses issue because in Ontario (probably the other provinces too) nurses have trouble getting full time positions BECAUSE employers do not wan to provide benefits. Many nurses in Toronto fill two or more part time positions to make up for this. They need the benefits their counterparts get. Comments?
This is funny cause they do this and then they have to call in agency nurses at 1.5-2X the rate of their full time staff when they are short durring shifts.
 

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This is funny cause they do this and then they have to call in agency nurses at 1.5-2X the rate of their full time staff when they are short durring shifts.
You can blame bonehead hospital administrators for that. For the most part they are overpaid clowns with the insight of gnats when it comes to running hospitals...
 

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this kind of sums things up nicely;

Yeah Americans are big-hearted and friendly, and I like 'em over all, but man these guys are something else. They are arrogant and ignorant of the rest of the world. They know how ignorant they are, and don't do anything about it. They joke about it instead.

Their arrogance they honestly don't see. They expect all foreigners to speak English and they expect a McDonalds in every foreign city. They firmly believe God is American and if you aren't with us, you are against us -- hence why many of them boycotted Canada Dry ginger ale (seriously) when Canada didn't join them for the second Gulf war. Never mind that Canada was in the first Gulf war, and was still fighting in Afghanistan, or that Canada Dry isn't even Canadian.

We are in the South, and people are nice here. They also support Bush. They make excuses for his apparent idiocy, and turn a blind eye to his foolish war while their sons and daughters go off to die in a hopeless cause. In their churches they pray (I'm serious) for Bush and Cheney. One church even told its parishoners to support Bush or leave. The fact that Kerry was religious all his life, and Bush discovered religion just before he discovered politics, didn't change the opinion that Bush was more pious than Kerry in the last election.

People were picketing Fahrenheit 911 before it even opened. They had never seen the movie, and they said they never would. They knew it was going to tell them things about Bush they would rather not know. Here, the movie was originally going to open in a dozen nearby theaters, and after all the protests, it only opened in one.

Canada sent thousands of people for a big love-in in NY after 911. It was never reported here. Canada sent millions of dollars in aid to New Orleans after the hurricane, along with ships and navy divers. It was never reported here. People were complaining that "we send so much in aid to countries around the world, where are they when we need help?" Well, Canada was right there, in New Orleans. On Day One.

We hear more about events in Colombia than Canada.

Americans always say "after we stormed the beaches of Normandy" and we "kicked the Germans out of France", forgetting there were three countries storming the beaches at Normandy, and another pressuring them from the East. Plus they were 2 years late joining the war in the first place.

It's that kind of willful blindness that amazes me. Of course, you can't mention any of this to them or they get upset. Americans do not take criticism well. At all.

Blame their education and blame their media. Their education is biased and completely lacking in world events. The media tells them what they want to hear, because if it doesn't, they change the channel. The only thing more newsworthy than the war in Iraq is Paris Hilton's last day in jail. France got a new President? Canada is our #1 source for energy? Who cares. What did Paris Hilton eat while she was in jail?

FYI you have the tax brackets backwards. Granted I have been out of the country for 5 years but the max tax bracket in Canada was around 50% with CPP etc. and you hit that early, around $65k. I was paying out around 33% of my income in tax, not counting 7% GST. Here in VA I'm paying around 20% of my income in tax and state tax is 2.5% to 5%. Remember in the US you can write off more things, like mortgage interest and home improvements. That makes a big difference. Overall Americans do pay less tax than Canadians. They also get less government services, but that's how they like it.

Health care is better here, if you can afford it. In Edmonton I couldn't find a GP that took new patients, and people were waiting months for surgeries. An MRI took six months, on average. Here, I had my pick of GPs and a wait of a week or two for a procedure is normal. Once I needed an MRI, and I got it *the next day*. I even got another one the day after that. Hospitals compete with each other for patients -- seriously. That's why rich Canadians go to the US for emergencies.

Doctors make a ton of money and they are treated like Gods, while nurses make less because they aren't unionized. (Same with teachers.) That's why Canadian doctors are moving to the US and Canadian nurses are moving back. There is a national nursing shortage here, hospitals are paying $5k signing bonuses and referral fees. but they won't increase the base wages for nurses.

Probably because they can't afford to pay more after paying for doctors and all that whizbang new equipment. Health care in the US has become so expensive that companies keep cutting back. Everything has a $15 or $20 copay. If you are in a rich company that pays good benefits, you're golden. If not, well, don't get sick or you could lose your house
Dislike of Americans
 

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i wonder what the nurses would opt for if given the option of the raise

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taking that money and hiring more nurses

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taking part of the raise to hire more nurses
Only if it was that simple, I think every hospital would hire more nurses if they could but there really isn't enough to go around. Hence the carrot of more money being dangled to steal them away from others.
 
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