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Old Dec 18th, 2019, 09:24 AM   #1
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Crapping in our own yard (aka the pollution thread)

Without entering into the discussion around whether humans are contributing to global climate change, here's a thread where we can just talk about examples of our species unending ability to pee in the same river where we draw water to drink, and similar...

A Methane Leak, Seen From Space, Proves to Be Far Larger Than Thought
The first satellite designed to continuously monitor the planet for methane leaks made a startling discovery last year: A little known gas-well accident at an Ohio fracking site was in fact one of the largest methane leaks ever recorded in the United States.

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The scientists said the new findings reinforced the view that methane releases like these, which are difficult to predict, could be far more widespread than previously thought.

“We’re entering a new era. With a single observation, a single overpass, we’re able to see plumes of methane coming from large emission sources,” said Ilse Aben, an expert in satellite remote sensing and one of the authors of the new research. “That’s something totally new that we were previously not able to do from space.”

Scientists also said the new findings reinforced the view that methane emissions from oil installations are far more widespread than previously thought.

The blowout, in February 2018 at a natural gas well run by an Exxon Mobil subsidiary in Belmont County, Ohio, released more methane than the entire oil and gas industries of many nations do in a year, the research team found. The Ohio episode triggered about 100 residents within a one-mile radius to evacuate their homes while workers scrambled to plug the well.

At the time, the Exxon subsidiary, XTO Energy, said it could not immediately determine how much gas had leaked. But the European Space Agency had just launched a satellite with a new monitoring instrument called Tropomi, designed to collect more accurate measurements of methane.

“We said, ‘Can we see it? Let’s look,’” said Steven Hamburg, a New York-based scientist with the Environmental Defense Fund, which had been collaborating on the satellite project with researchers at the Netherlands Institute for Space Research in Utrecht, the Netherlands.

Natural gas production has come under increased scrutiny because of the prevalence of leaks of methane — the colorless, odorless main component of natural gas — from the fuel’s supply chain.

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The satellite’s measurements showed that, in Ohio in the 20 days it took for Exxon to plug the well, about 120 metric tons of methane an hour were released. That amounted to twice the rate of the largest known methane leak in the United States, from an oil and gas storage facility in Aliso Canyon, Calif., in 2015, though that event lasted longer and had higher emissions overall.

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The satellite’s measurements showed that, in Ohio in the 20 days it took for Exxon to plug the well, about 120 metric tons of methane an hour were released.
Since a metric ton of methane is equivalent to about 34 tons of CO2 over 100 years that means that this leak released an equivalent of 120 tons * 24 (hrs) * 20 (days) * 34 GWP = ~1,960,000 tons of CO2.

For context, that's about the average total annual emissions of 98,000 Americans, or 200,000 non-Americans. It's also equivalent to burning ~220,000,000 gallons of gasoline- enough for an F-150 truck to circle the globe 265,000 times. And we wouldn't even be hearing about it if it weren't for a new special satellite that can measure these leaks.

In another recent NYT report that I thought was cool, they used infrared cameras to show leaking methane at Texas wells that are otherwise invisible. Methane leaks in general are a huge problem, due in part to how poorly they're reported by the companies that have strong incentives to keep them hidden.
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Old Dec 18th, 2019, 11:12 AM   #2
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This is just the GHG thread in disguise, destined to join the "Chemical Plant Explosion — Texas" thread in the EhMac scrapyard.

Only a month ago, eMacMan created a thread for pollution posts not referring to so-called GHGs:

https://www.ehmac.ca/everything-else...al-thread.html
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Old Dec 18th, 2019, 12:10 PM   #3
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This is just the GHG thread in disguise...
Yeppers.

The Bigot is unable to debate the facts therein so he transparently attempts to address the topic in a new thread here.

In addition, CO2 is not pollution. Neither is methane.

Plus, if The Bigot was really, truly interested in the topic of "Crapping in our yard", he'd talk about the literal $h!tshow that the Prog city of San Francisco is. Or the Prog centers of Montreal & Quebec City dumping raw sewage into the St. Lawrence. Or the Prog cities of Victoria & Metro Vancouver doing the same into the Pacific Ocean waterways.

He could easily move onto all the plastic pollution (also ending up in the Pacific) from Far Eastern rivers.
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Old Dec 18th, 2019, 12:25 PM   #4
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e could easily move onto all the plastic pollution (also ending up in the Pacific) from Far Eastern rivers.
Some dude in Alberta dropped a styrofoam cup. ENVIRONMENTAL CATASTROPHE-E-E-E!!!!!!!!
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Old Dec 18th, 2019, 04:53 PM   #5
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Yeppers.

The Bigot is unable to debate the facts therein so he transparently attempts to address the topic in a new thread here.

In addition, CO2 is not pollution. Neither is methane.

Plus, if The Bigot was really, truly interested in the topic of "Crapping in our yard", he'd talk about the literal $h!tshow that the Prog city of San Francisco is. Or the Prog centers of Montreal & Quebec City dumping raw sewage into the St. Lawrence. Or the Prog cities of Victoria & Metro Vancouver doing the same into the Pacific Ocean waterways.

He could easily move onto all the plastic pollution (also ending up in the Pacific) from Far Eastern rivers.

One of the many reasons I created this thread:
https://www.ehmac.ca/everything-else...al-thread.html
Thanks MF for pointing it out.

All that said methane releases can be a bit cataclysmic, but not over greenhouse gas concerns. There is an explosive possibility attached. King Christian Island comes to mind as a prime example. Turns out that permafrost was capping that methane and that particular gas well fire was an SOB to contain.
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Some dude in Alberta dropped a styrofoam cup. ENVIRONMENTAL CATASTROPHE-E-E-E!!!!!!!!
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Yeppers.

The Bigot is unable to debate the facts therein so he transparently attempts to address the topic in a new thread here.
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This is just the GHG thread in disguise, destined to join the "Chemical Plant Explosion — Texas" thread in the EhMac scrapyard.
No. My intent was to get away from the constant droning of certain people in the GHG echo chamber. The discussion around human contamination of our environment is lost in the din.

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Only a month ago, eMacMan created a thread for pollution posts not referring to so-called GHGs:

https://www.ehmac.ca/everything-else...al-thread.html
Thanks for pointing that out to me. I did do a search for both "pollution" and "environment" before creating this thread. Either ehMac's (in)famous search utility failed, or my eyes did. I'm more than happy to move discussion to ehMacMan's thread.

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Hello, Bigot.

Feel free to eddicate yerself on the topic & jump in. Ain't nuttin' but fear & common sense holdin' ya back!

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My intent was to get away from the constant droning of certain people in the GHG echo chamber.
As neither CO2 nor methane are pollution, your discussion of them as such doesn't belong in the GHG thread.

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The discussion around human contamination of our environment is lost in the din.
Why, it's to push yer fact-free Prog narrative. Ain't no secret, Bigot.

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No. My intent was to get away from the constant droning of certain people in the GHG echo chamber. The discussion around human contamination of our environment is lost in the din.



Thanks for pointing that out to me. I did do a search for both "pollution" and "environment" before creating this thread. Either ehMac's (in)famous search utility failed, or my eyes did. I'm more than happy to move discussion to ehMacMan's thread.

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listen, according to the new liberal narrative doomsday clock we have less than 12 years remaining on earth, i would like to enjoy them without your fear mongering.
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