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Old Mar 12th, 2018, 09:47 PM   #21
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That only applies if the SENDER was using the option with their gmail or maybe Microsoft Outlook account and I believe it must be done within about maybe 60 seconds max I believe after sending. And even then it's not 100% reliable.
This is how it used to be. Also it used to be that when you recalled a messaged the recipient received an e-mail saying "so and so would like to recall a message" leaving the recipient the option to accept or reject. Times have changed and now a message can be deleted outright sending a command using the RFC822 message ID on the email to delete it outright. Which is not strictly a gmail thing but it is certainly implemented by gmail.
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Old Mar 12th, 2018, 10:44 PM   #22
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Seems to me, SINC, the most parsimonious solution will be to contact the sender in order to clarify the matter. YMMV!!!

That sure makes sense unless there are some other factors that haven't been mentioned involved. ;-)
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Old Mar 13th, 2018, 02:03 PM   #23
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time machine does not cover eMails..
i had an issue with email once and time machine will not recover emails from Gmail or exchange or imap only if they are "on my Mac" meaning pop and downloaded..

Just out of curiosity - have you rebuilt your Apple mail , doubt it will work but worth a try..
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Long post to update, so scroll down for an explanation of my issue.

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You could try an advanced search in gmail for the email address in question. I don't know that it includes the trash though (or whatever it's called for gmail) so you might need to check that manually. If threaded messages are turned on, and you started to reply, it may also be in drafts?
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Don, that is the only reason I still use POP on my main Shaw account.

Are there any other eMails missing? I ask as it may be possible that the provider may have had a glitch and the eMail in question had not yet made it onto the back-up used to restore your account. Anyways it's just a thought.
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Is it available in your iCloud email stuff if you use it, which I gather you do.

Just a maybe as iCloud seems to screw most usable things up pretty well.
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That's just one of several reasons I do the same. ;D
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Or maybe try a web search?
Like:
https://www.google.ca/search?client=...E-3e8Af0kZP4Dw

I'd say it's doubtful but worth a try, but gmail does seem to do some email things a bit differently. Especially if it's a IMAP email account that's involved. I'm not sure if they use a "cloud" or if it was even enabled.

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Gmail seems to put everything I don't want to save in the Archive folder. But I suppose you have already checked that........ Just sayin'.....
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Is it possible the sender recalled the message?
That is exactly what took place.

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Is it even possible to recall a message that has been read?

Don, I second the suggestion to look in their Archive folder.

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Would any of these suggestions work???

Recover Deleted Email: Outlook/Gmail/Hotmail/Yahoo Mail Messages
https://www.easeus.com/file-recovery...ail-files.html

Or maybe even this???
How To Recover Deleted Emails From Apple Mail On A Mac
https://www.prosofteng.com/blog/how-...eleted-emails/

Doubtful, I would think…
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This is interesting for a number of reasons. Not the least of which because it turns the accepted 'snail' maxim that the letter belongs to the addressee/recipient not to the sender, on its head.

if the sender can unsend, then, ipso facto, the sender owns the message, which is the exact opposite of accepted practice with 'snail'.


Seems to me, SINC, the most parsimonious solution will be to contact the sender in order to clarify the matter. YMMV!!!
The email was sent by the office of the city manager of St. Albert. It granted permission for my home to be removed from the mandatory install list of a Neptune smart water meter complete with transmitter to monitor water usage in my home.

I and many others had objected to the install as we feared for our privacy and the city reacted to the backlash by announcing an opt out method sometime in April once it had been passed by council. In the meantime, council ordered the install process to begin in February and my neighbourhood was among one of the first selected so Neptune was making demands to enter my home. Appeals to mayor and council to delay installation until the opt out details were rejected. In other words it would be installed against my wishes and supposedly removed later and we all know how that would turn out, don't we?

The mayor and council were copied the email that granted me the temporary reprieve but as soon as they became aware of the email, they ordered the city manager to unsend the email immediately, which tells me they will never offer an opt out method in spite of announcing it in the local paper back in December of 2017.

I read it on my iPhone, but did not copy it. It disappeared within a half hour or so. I now have no proof that the city utility department granted my request for an extension until council made the details of the opt out plan available to the public. While I remember the original content of the email clearly as well as the name of the sender in the city manager's office, I don't recall the exact email address and am without proof I ever got it.

So far demands from Neptune have ceased, but they may resume at any time and I am under threat of having my water disconnected if I fail to comply.

Perhaps that will help explain my desire to find that email.

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time machine does not cover eMails..
i had an issue with email once and time machine will not recover emails from Gmail or exchange or imap only if they are "on my Mac" meaning pop and downloaded..

Just out of curiosity - have you rebuilt your Apple mail , doubt it will work but worth a try..
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Old Mar 14th, 2018, 12:36 PM   #25
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I figured that was what the missing/removed email was about considering the letters in your SAP blog.

But I'm wondering if there isn't at least some sort of Mail email message log kept somewhere, but I couldn't find anything with a quick google search or in my Console list.

It makes one wonder about the US and their running presidents and their various "missing" email messages eh??



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Old Mar 15th, 2018, 05:22 AM   #26
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When you think it thru in the case of Gmail Google has control of everything including storage in IMAP. It is nothing for them, in gmail to gmail, to disappear a message. Could they accomlish the same with amail sent from google to another service? What are the ethica of this? Who owns a message? Sender or addressee? What does this mean, speaking legally, for the usefulness of email if one cannot trust that a message will stay received?...... if it can be yanked back on a whim?

The lesson here may be that one cannot trust Gmail to Gmail service!!!
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Old Mar 19th, 2018, 09:38 AM   #27
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did you try the trash on your phone? The only way I can see an email deleting is if you swipe and trash the email on your phone. I had that happen with a boarding pass, I had the email saved on my phone. Got through security and everything but between the desk before getting on the plane and actually boarding the plane I deleted the email. I had to stand at the front of the plane and try and figure out where it went as they would not seat me without it. Anyways, long story short I had somehow deleted it and found it in the trash on my phone. Pretty sure if you delete a message it automatically goes to the trash folder till you empty it or it empties itself after a certain period of time.
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Trouble is I did not trash the message on the iPhone. I simply read it and left it in the inbox. Read it a second time about 20 minutes later but an hour later, no trace of it at all.
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I think it is pretty clear that the message in question was withdrawn (by whatever means).

The representation of "your (??) gmail" seen on your computer, phone etc., is NOT static. In IMAP it is just the latest version of what Google has on their server from the last time your machine checked the mail. It is completely labile and it would seem a trivial task for Google to 'disappear' a message for whatever reason. If I have this correctly the only way you could have saved that message would be to move it to a mailbox "on my Mac", 'print' to .pdf. Perhaps it would do to move to a box on another service, but one is never quite sure of Google's reach............ IMHO!!!
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Old Mar 20th, 2018, 12:30 PM   #30
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Trouble is I did not trash the message on the iPhone. I simply read it and left it in the inbox. Read it a second time about 20 minutes later but an hour later, no trace of it at all.

And I guess you've looked for various solutions like these:

Gmail messages are missing
https://support.google.com/mail/answ...DDesktop&hl=en

or a big list of hits like:
Apple Mail IMAP email message that just disappeared
https://www.google.ca/search?client=...G-fe8AeRlLbYDw
and

retrieve IMAP email message that just dissapeared as the same above link:
https://www.google.ca/search?client=...LObe8AegtbDgBg

PS: From what I've read, the "unsend" options in most email software that might have it only adds a delay to the actual Send function and is only for a fairly short duration and maybe just a minute or two max!! Otherwise it's sent and stays delivered.

If anyone has found anything different, please post the info and URL of the source.

But then again, it could be Apple's Mail app messing things up, and there are all kinds of hits regarding that with a search on:
Apple Mail IMAP email message that just disappeared
https://www.google.ca/search?client=...G-fe8AeRlLbYDw

PS: I don't suppose "Rebuilding the Mailbox" would help retrieve the missing message.
Or does Spotlight happen to find anything…???… as the sender's name is known to search for??? Worth a try.

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