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screature Mar 24th, 2016 02:06 PM

Adobe is becoming less and less relevant. They have no one to blame but themselves.

Like Apple they have become lazy and fail to innovate any longer. They just rest on their laurels and expect people to keep coming back because they are Adobe.

I can still do everything that I used to (needed to do) do with my licensed Adobe product that I need to without their stupid online model. Whoever came up with that idea is an idiot and should be fired tout suite.

I have friends who are still conducting business with CS3 happily. If one can't then one does not have any real skills or knowledge.

Sue there are some bells and whistles that didn't exist before, but they are far from necessary for the experienced user.

wonderings Mar 28th, 2016 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by screature (Post 2192090)
Adobe is becoming less and less relevant. They have no one to blame but themselves.

Like Apple they have become lazy and fail to innovate any longer. They just rest on their laurels and expect people to keep coming back because they are Adobe.

I can still do everything that I used to (needed to do) do with my licensed Adobe product that I need to without their stupid online model. Whoever came up with that idea is an idiot and should be fired tout suite.

I have friends who are still conducting business with CS3 happily. If one can't then one does not have any real skills or knowledge.

Sue there are some bells and whistles that didn't exist before, but they are far from necessary for the experienced user.

There are real improvements in the application speed, I cannot imagine going back to CS3, even CS6 is a dog compared to the latest. I do agree and hate the subscription/thieving model. Would not hate it as much if I could keep a version after a full year of paying a subscription fee as I could then opt out and not head back to the dark ages before 64 bit apps.

screature Mar 28th, 2016 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by wonderings (Post 2195362)
There are real improvements in the application speed, I cannot imagine going back to CS3, even CS6 is a dog compared to the latest. I do agree and hate the subscription/thieving model. Would not hate it as much if I could keep a version after a full year of paying a subscription fee as I could then opt out and not head back to the dark ages before 64 bit apps.

Yes there are a lot of automated features and whiz bang stuff in further iterations of Abobe CS. But if you know Adobe products well and have plenty of experience with them, personally I have to need to move to the subscription model.

I have CS5 and feel no need to go beyond that. IMO if you know what you are doing there is no need to go from a license based model to a subscription modal.

Sure I could be missing out on the coolest and newest, but I really don't care. I know enough about what I am doing that I do not need some algorithm that may or may not do what I want and then need to learn how to use a different program that I already know how to use.

It is people like me that Adobe abhors... People that have paid thousands of dollars to keep up to date with the software and re-learning over the years. But now that we are so well trained in using their products they are no longer interested in us because they cannot provide a product that we could possibly justify the expense relative to the "improvements" in their latest iterations. They know that. That is why they went to the subscription model so they could get "newbies" to buy in, it is obvious.

wonderings Mar 28th, 2016 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by screature (Post 2195570)
Yes there are a lot of automated features and whiz bang stuff in further iterations of Abobe CS. But if you know Adobe products well and have plenty of experience with them, personally I have to need to move to the subscription model.

I have CS5 and feel no need to go beyond that. IMO if you know what you are doing there is no need to go from a license based model to a subscription modal.

Sure I could be missing out on the coolest and newest, but I really don't care. I know enough about what I am doing that I do not need some algorithm that may or may not do what I want and then need to learn how to use a different program that I already know how to use.

It is people like me that Adobe abhors... People that have paid thousands of dollars to keep up to date with the software and re-learning over the years. But now that we are so well trained in using their products they are no longer interested in us because they cannot provide a product that we could possibly justify the expense relative to the "improvements" in their latest iterations. They know that. That is why they went to the subscription model so they could get "newbies" to buy in, it is obvious.

For me there was certain things I could not do without Indesign being a 64 bit app. Had some big problems when dealing with some variable data files when they got to large. I was using CS6 and was on a deadline working into the night to try and get this file ready to print and was just not getting anywhere. I decided to demo Adobe CC Indesign as I had read that it was now a 64 bit app and should be using more RAM then the CS6 version. Well that demo solved my problem, Indesign handled it like a dream. Now in most cases CS6 will work, but as files get bigger native 64 bit apps make a world of difference. Anyone using Adobe Creative Suite will eventually have to update unless they never plan on upgrading their Mac again. I really wish there was more choice, they should have kept the previous model, let us pay outright when we want and offer subscription for those who want it. I keep hoping someone is going to give some real competition for Adobe, it is sorely needed... looking at you Affinity!

Moscool Mar 28th, 2016 06:32 PM

Can't wait for the beta of Affinity's InDesign competitor. Their efforts in early 2016 are on creating a windows version of their vector design and photo apps.

screature Mar 29th, 2016 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by wonderings (Post 2195594)
For me there was certain things I could not do without Indesign being a 64 bit app. Had some big problems when dealing with some variable data files when they got to large. I was using CS6 and was on a deadline working into the night to try and get this file ready to print and was just not getting anywhere. I decided to demo Adobe CC Indesign as I had read that it was now a 64 bit app and should be using more RAM then the CS6 version. Well that demo solved my problem, Indesign handled it like a dream. Now in most cases CS6 will work, but as files get bigger native 64 bit apps make a world of difference. Anyone using Adobe Creative Suite will eventually have to update unless they never plan on upgrading their Mac again. I really wish there was more choice, they should have kept the previous model, let us pay outright when we want and offer subscription for those who want it. I keep hoping someone is going to give some real competition for Adobe, it is sorely needed... looking at you Affinity!

I don't know the work that you do but I did 8'x 10" artwork for trade shows on a G5 Power Mac with just Adobe Photoshop 3 never mind CS of any iteration, and it did not take that long to process, so I am really not sure what you are talking about and that was when working for the marketing and communications department of a multinational company.

Obviously YMMV but for most users who know what they are doing I see no need to upgrade to the latest subscription mode or even a faster Mac. My 3.2 Quad-Core Intel Xeon with 24 GB 1066 Mhz DDR3 with a SSD as my boot drive serves me perfectly well and will probably continue to do so until it dies, or I do, whichever comes first.

screature Mar 29th, 2016 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Moscool (Post 2195650)
Can't wait for the beta of Affinity's InDesign competitor. Their efforts in early 2016 are on creating a windows version of their vector design and photo apps.

InDesign is a great product, way better than anything Quark ever produced in terms of usability and price.

I have no problems with my InDesign CS5. I know it and it just works the way I want it to... If it ain't broke don't fix it.

wonderings Mar 29th, 2016 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by screature (Post 2195690)
I don't know the work that you do but I did 8'x 10" artwork for trade shows on a G5 Power Mac with just Adobe Photoshop 3 never mind CS of any iteration, and it did not take that long to process, so I am really not sure what you are talking about and that was when working for the marketing and communications department of a multinational company.

Obviously YMMV but for most users who know what they are doing I see no need to upgrade to the latest subscription mode or even a faster Mac. My 3.2 Quad-Core Intel Xeon with 24 GB 1066 Mhz DDR3 with a SSD as my boot drive serves me perfectly well and will probably continue to do so until it dies, or I do, whichever comes first.

I work in pre press at my family print shop. When you get into things like variable data that has you producing a 15,000 unique pages pdf is where you notice and need the power you get from a 64 bit app. 24gigs of RAM is basically useless in apps like Indesign if they are not 64 bit as it can only use about 3 gigs of that. I know photoshop switched to 64 bit well before Indesign, but not sure if it was for CS6. There are better options for what I had to do, but they are costly applications and are way over kill for the basic VDP (variable data print) needs I have.

And I completely agree, Quark is a relic, very happy to not have to use that app ever again. I did out of curiosity download the latest demo of Quark Xpress and it looks basically the same and the features they add just do not seem like features at all. Indesign is my favourite app in Adobe CC, one I use daily and can do about 95% of what I need for all things print.

screature Apr 9th, 2016 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by wonderings (Post 2195818)
I work in pre press at my family print shop. When you get into things like variable data that has you producing a 15,000 unique pages pdf is where you notice and need the power you get from a 64 bit app. 24gigs of RAM is basically useless in apps like Indesign if they are not 64 bit as it can only use about 3 gigs of that. I know photoshop switched to 64 bit well before Indesign, but not sure if it was for CS6. There are better options for what I had to do, but they are costly applications and are way over kill for the basic VDP (variable data print) needs I have.

And I completely agree, Quark is a relic, very happy to not have to use that app ever again. I did out of curiosity download the latest demo of Quark Xpress and it looks basically the same and the features they add just do not seem like features at all. Indesign is my favourite app in Adobe CC, one I use daily and can do about 95% of what I need for all things print.

What kind of work are doing that require a 15,000 page pdf to be printed? I have never heard of such a thing. Just saying, that astounds me, certainly not the norm.

pm-r Apr 9th, 2016 02:57 PM

Wow!!! That must be some government project that would take 15,000 unique pages, no one else could afford to do so … or was it a bit of a misprint error…??? ;)

By comparison “The average non-condensed English Bible has around 1,200 pages.


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