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Old Feb 17th, 2012, 06:54 PM   #1
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No Solution To Get Both Internal And External Speakers To Work At The Same Time-RANT

Well, it seems that I have to admit to failure To Get Both Internal And External Speakers To Work At The Same Time on my 24" iMac.

I purchased a cheaper Philips 2.1 speaker system to enhance the sound of my iMac but I wanted to also have both the external speaker 2.1 setup (3.5mm stereo plug only) and the iMac's internal working at the same time, as they actually produce a decent sound. But not to be it seems. Unless of course some has found a simple way to do so.

It seems Apple's more recent OS X Macs can't even do what was possible on my old Macs with System 7.x and 8.x + versions. No "bridging" allowed it seems that used to be available with the old OS Systems and old Macs.

I Googled and tried all kinds of stuff, including using my Griffin USB iMic and as I posted to our local VMUG, close but not close enough.

And unfortunately, the default SL OS X Sound pref only allows the user to choose between the iMac's built-in output source OR the headphone port for any external connected speakers, but not both for some strange reason to me.

But wait says my old Mac brain when it clicks in, I have an old iMic USB device I could use to plug in the external speakers into and then use my "Audio MIDI Setup" (Utilities) to set it up using the "aggregate device" to configure it and the internal speakers.

But no success showing until I gave up and restarted my iMac.

I was then presented with the "Sound" pref pane window with an "Aggregate Device" option showing.

Ah finally, but success was soon to disappear when I clicked to select the new option to use and was met with the message:
"Settings for the selected device: The selected device has no output controls."

Bummer, so close but yet so far….

And I had to select to use either one or the other internal or USB iMic options for most normal speaker output.

Oddly with the "Aggregate Device" selected, all OS user sounds (alerts etc.) are not available or sound, yet iTunes and other stuff will play all audio - but only via the currently connected external speakers connected to the iMic.

There has just got to be some way to get ALL connected speakers working somehow, but I'm just about to give up trying!!

So I've basically given up unless someone can show me a way to actually get such a setup working and I really don't understand why it should be so hard to do.

Gheese Apple!!! This iMac is what you proudly describe as a "multimedia Mac", yet it can only output audio to a single audio device at a time?? How bizarre is that.

And yes I did search the forums here, but the high-end audio systems some members are using is waaay overkill for my want's or needs.
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Old Feb 17th, 2012, 06:56 PM   #2
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maybe if you explain what exactly it is you're trying to accomplish we might be able to suggest something to help
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Old Feb 17th, 2012, 07:40 PM   #3
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Sorry that I wasn't clear in my long rant.

Basically I got the self-powered Philips SPA2360/17 computer 2.1 Sound System from Costco last week that comes with a 3.5mm stereo plug and I want to have my 24" iMac SL 10.6.8 output all my sound to BOTH the connected external self-powered sound system AND my iMac's internal speakers at the SAME TIME. ie: not mutually exclusive as the present Sound pref pane dictates, either one or the other but NOT both at the same time.

I hope that makes some logical sense.

EDIT addition: I guess what I was expecting was to find an option in the Sound pref pane like my old Macs and pre OS X OS Systems where the Sound control panel had a nice easy to use "Use Both" or some such when there were two options available with external self-powered speakers plugged in and connected.

So Maclike simple. But it seems those days have gone.

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Try Airport Express! Plug your Phillips system into the AE and use your iOS 5 device's Remote app to output sound to "Multiple", then check all that apply.
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I believe Airport Express only does this for music in iTunes, not even movies, and not for other sound-producing apps. I've tried it.
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I believe Airport Express only does this for music in iTunes, not even movies, and not for other sound-producing apps. I've tried it.
To confirm, I found the same thing. iTunes stuff ONLY and besides I don't own or use any Apple iDevice.
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The other strange thing for those with powered remote speakers plugged into their Mac's headphone jack and selected to be the Output source in the Sound pref pane - when cold booting or restarting, the startup sound comes through the internal speakers, and NOT the external speakers.

I came across one site poster on this same problem who asked an Apple engineer he bumped into "how come", the engineer said it was due to the EMI code or something that's loaded at boot/restart time only, and the only way around the problem and to get both internal and external speakers working together was to change some diode on the back of the iMac's earphone receptacle jack and do some soldering modifications.

A little bit scary, and so far I haven't found any details for doing such surgery. And even then, I'd still be a bit leery of doing so even if I am quite handyman qualified.
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Why would you want to do this? You will more than likely have terrible phase cancellation and wonder where all the bass has gone.
Why??? Because both internal and external speakers have adequate decent sound output for my needs in my small computer office and I would like to get them all working for a fuller and cheap sound experience.

May I would have to call it a 2.1 + .2 Mac sound output system.

Ghee, it was so easy to do with "sound bridging" my LC 630, G3 DT and my G4 MDD 1.25GHz dual boot with the Sound control panel in pre OS X booted Systems, just a click on the "use both" option and no "phase cancellation" at all. Nice, and the way it should still be!!

BTW, all those early Macs are still operational and the G4 1.24GHz DB just got semi-retired last month as my wife just acquired a G5 20" iSight as a replacement.
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I would have to look at the circuit diagram but it seems logical that the audio output port is switched. So plug something in and the internal speakers are disabled mechanically. Probably an easier way than software to mute the internal speakers when using headphones.
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