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PowerMac 8500/132 and my MacBookPro

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#1 ·
I had a ton of stuff sitting in storage for the last ten years and just now I have been able to access it. Imagine my smile when my old 8500 booted up with no issues. Unfortunately, the CD Drive doesn't work anymore and I'd like to get the files on the old "massive" :lmao: 1.2 GB harddrive on my more recent MacBookPro.

I went out and bought a crossover ethernet cable but cannot get either computer to show up on either's networks. I'm running Snow Leopard on the Pro and MacOS 9 on the 8500.

I'd rather not take out the drive access the data that way.

Can anyone give me some advice/help?

Thanks!
Philip.
 
#4 ·
The 8500 is probably setup to use Appletalk, but I don't think Appletalk is supported in Snow Leapard (not absolutely sure about this).

I seem to recall that OS9 had the ability to use TCP/IP. Check if there's an option box for this in the Chooser.
 
#6 ·
O.K., I just tried this since it's been a long time.

Here's what works:

On your 8500 go to Control Panels and select File Sharing. The file sharing window should come up.

In the section for file sharing there's a little check box you should check to allow TCP/IP. Then click on the button to start file sharing.

Once file sharing has finished starting, and it says File Sharing On, then there should be a new line showing up in the right side of the window that says URL: afp://xxxx/
The xxxx is the computer name. Write down the address afp://xxxx/ since you'll need that address for your MacBook Pro.

Now go to the MacBook Pro and along the top menu bar for the finder there is a menu item called Go. Click on Go, and then select Connect to Server. In the window that comes up, type in the afp://xxxx/ address that you wrote down from your 8500. Then click on the Connect button.

Your 8500 hard drive should now show up on your MacBook Pro. Now you can transfer files to and from your 8500 drive to the MacBook Pro.
 
#10 ·
I guess it wasn't clear from my post that I have verified this to work on real machines. It wasn't just speculation. I was using a PM 9600 running OS9.1, and a MacBook running Snow Leopard.
 
#7 ·
It's been a while ... but as MacOS 9 and hopefully updated is installed on the 8500, and just using a "normal" ethernet cable to a local ethernet router or hub, there should be a "network access" option under the Apple menu on the 8500 to connect to the also ethernet connected MBP, and the MBP should show up as a choice to connect to for a local connected Mac.

Don't try using the MBP running Mac OS X.x to connect to the 8500 as it often will NOT work.

Access the 'local' MBP Mac OS X.x from and using the 8500's "Network Access" instead and you'll have much better success to get the files you want transferred to the MBP.

And don't ask me why it usually works this way and/or why a OS X Mac can't often recognize or access a OS 9 PPC Mac when an older PCC and its OS can access a later OS X Intel Mac.
 
#9 ·
It's not going to happen

I believe that you will need a machine that runs Leopard or Tiger to directly network. Snow Leopard does not work.

Alternately, set up some sort of FTP facility between the two over your local network. I have not done this so I cannot provide details.

Your internal hard drive is SCSI. I don't know how many pins. Good luck moving it.

The simplest solution may in the end be to hook the 8500 up to your network, install an email client and email yourself the files. The specs page I looked at says it has a base 10T ethernet connection.

Good luck
 
#13 ·
Just use the computer name from the file sharing window on your 8500 in place of the xxxx. It's not that complicated.

Check to make sure the computer name isn't blank on your 8500. It has to have a name, and you can also set a password for file sharing. The password can be blank since it's not required, but you do need a name. If there is no name, then call it something simple like 8500.
 
#14 · (Edited)
I just tried doing some file transfer stuff experiments between our G4 PPC dual OS boot MDD and our Intel 24" iMac.

G4 PPC booted into OS 9.2.2, and file sharing works to the iMac - but ONLY if the iMac is booted into 10.5.8 or earlier.

If the iMac is booted into 10.6.x, the closest I get is a dialog saying that some sort of protocol is NOT supported, and that was using the afp://xxx address of the iMac.

Maybe our G4 MDD has some extra quirks that is goofing things up, but I would suspect the problem lies with Mac OS 10.6.x snow leopard. ie: maybe it's become a 'snow job' OS for some. ;-)

Various methods tried with AppleTalk both On and Off and TCP/IP enabled, and all a no go to or from a 10.6 booted Mac it seems, but still available and work with a 10.5.x or earlier booted Mac it seems.


EDIT:
Here's a shot of what I got when trying to access the 10.6 booted iMac and using the iMac's afp:// address...:
 

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#16 ·
10.6 removed support for appletalk AFAIK so that sounds about right. If the OP does have an enclosure I would say it's probably easiest to take that last resort. As noted in a previous post though it's likely that the drive is a scsi based drive so you would need an enclosure that supports SCSI drives w/ a USB or FW interface ... I don't think I've personally ever seen one though.
 
#17 ·
On the 8500

1) Go to Control Panels and select File Sharing.


2) Check the box to allow file sharing by TCP/IP (circled in red)


3) Start filesharing and wait for it to confirm filesharing is on. Notice that afp: adress on the right (circled in red).


On the Snow Leopard Mac


A) On the "Go" menu select Connect to Server.


B) Type in the afp: address from the OS9 Mac, then click Connect.


C) Select the drives from the OS9 Mac that you want to put on the Snow Leopard Mac desktop. Those drives will now show up on the Snow Leopard Mac desktop with a special sharing icon.


D) Copy the files you need from the OS9 Mac to the Snow Leopard Mac

E) Done.
 
#19 ·
Nice helpful shots Rob, but for some strange reason with those settings I had used before, my G4 MDD dual boot now freezes up both file sharing and the Finder, mouse is the only thing that works, when starting up with OS 9.2.2.
Anyway, I can easily live without it.




And a good solution!! Who would have thought...???

I was having trouble recalling the software name I used to use many years ago as a suggestion to offer and I finally recalled and found it, just in case it would help in the future: "ShareWay IP" ShareWay IP
 
#20 ·
One thing to note on file sharing in OS9 is that it will crap out if you have too many partitions and/or drives mounted. I forget the limit, but I thinks it's around 8 or 10.
This has caused me grief in the past since I like to have at least 3 or 4 partitions on each drive. File sharing will just keep trying to run, but it will never actually turn on.

The easiest way around this is to unmount or "put away" some of the partitions and/or drives before starting file sharing. They'll come back on the next time you reboot.

Even if the number of drives and/or partitions is within the limit, it can still take a long time for file sharing to start up the first time. The system has to configure all the drives and folders for file sharing. That can take quite a while if you have some large drives.

I don't know if this is related to the problems with your G4 MDD, pm-r, but if you have a lot of drives/partitions, then that could be the cause.
 
#21 ·
Thanks for the heads up warning Rob, and there are three mounted volumes on the G4 MDD, and all with various 9-X OS versions and data.

I recall that there was a file that needed to be deleted in OS 9 if File Sharing was slow to launch or just timed out, but I'll probably have to search my old Eudora VMUG archives and see if I can find what it was called. A restart was needed I believe.

And I believe the original hint and suggestion came from some fellow working with his school network, and his suggestion worked - at least back then in the pre OS X days.
 
#22 ·
I did this with a 8600 a couple years back. I was lucky to have had installed a USB 1.0 card in it. It had a four gig HD, which took 5 days to back up to and 15 minutes to copy off on my Macbook Pro.

The other option could be more cumbersome but two external zip drives once SCSI and one USB could facilitate the transfer. a couple of zip disks and you could grab 100 meg at a time.

In either case make sure the drives they are formatted in Mac Standard, extended is a no go

Got to love this.
 
#26 ·
There's always the inelegant but effective SneakerNet. If you could find both a USB Zip drive and a SCSI Zip drive - the discs will work in both. Same applies to Jaz drives and discs. Also a USB floppy drive for the MacBook and the built-in floppy drive for the old Mac.

Another far-out solution would be to borrow or buy a beige G3 Mac. You could install your SCSI drive internally (requires a ribbon cable to the empty plug on the rear of the motherboard). You could then install a USB or FireWire card to do the final transfer.
 
#27 ·
It seems that the OP solved their problem according to their post #18 Jun 12th, 2011, 09:03 PM but just to carry on this topic...

I thought that Mac file sharing via TCP/IP was available well before OS 8.6, but if my old brain recalls correctly, one had to download and install the then optional "Open Transport" software, and then Apple's minimum licensed version of "IP Share" somewhere became available, but I vaguely recall that AppleTalk also needed to be installed and enabled for some reason even though theoretically it wasn't actually used.

Possibly some sites can provide better info for those who want to check such as Old Macintosh System Software and TCP/IP

But I sure wish that Apple would improve and provide a better and easier and qiucker file sharing setup for some recent Intel Mac users such as a lady I helped running an iMac and her new MB 'Air' and both with 10.6.8 and a newly connected Airport Extreme that I witnessed last week.

No normal 'connection' methods seemed to work and I finally setup her iMac's HD as a 'shared folder', told the Air to 'Browse' in the network options, went and had a cigarette break in frustration and to contemplate, and when I got back to her Air MB, her iMac was finally available to connect to and do the file transfers she needed. What a delayed PITA!!!

And oh yes, it seems that one can no longer create an alias for the mounted 'share' for later quick access that one could do with pre Mac OS X Systems. :(
 
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#28 ·
And oh yes, it seems that one can no longer create an alias for the mounted 'share' for later quick access that one could do with pre Mac OS X Systems. :(
Sure you can, I do it all the time. Make sure the drive is visible on the desktop (or navigate to it from the top level of the finder navigation), then drag it to the desktop while holding down cmd+option.

There shouldn't have been a delay for the machine to show up on the network, there was something else at play there. I've literally enabled sharing on one machine and then seen it pop up on the machine siting beside it in seconds. If it didn't there is likely a network configuration issue on the local network (funky/bad DNS, improper local domain setting on the router, etc)

P.S. Rob posted a link 2 above yours for Appleshare IP for 8.5 : http://www.ehmac.ca/mac-ipod-help-t...mac-8500-132-my-macbookpro-3.html#post1114687
 
#29 ·
Interesting mguertin, but her iMac's actual 'share' drive icon never actually mounted or showed on her Air's desktop, only a shared window showed up with her iMac name listed and any attempt to select or make an alias of the shared drive was greyed out and not available to complete.

Wouldn't doing a cmd+option drag of her iMac HD share to her MB Air just copy *all* her iMac HD stuff to her Air and add it all to it's minimal SSD sized hard drive??

PS: Regarding 'Appleshare IP' back in those OS 8-9 days, I'm sure I paid for and ending up using the "FULL" (not the Apple crippled version) Appleshare IP software version from the developer, and then when OS X came along, I added the 'SharePoints"??? software for more usable user file sharing access.

I'll have to try again sometime when I have two Intel Macs and both running 10.6.8 available with a LAN network setup and do some more checking.
 
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#30 ·
By default network shares don't show on the desktop unless you turn that option on (finder prefs). Dragging with cmd+option will make an alias (not copy). You can also drag from the icon at the top of any finder window ... click on it and hold for a few seconds and then it's draggable.

Shareway IP was the full on one I believe ... ShareWay IP
 
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