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Old Jan 26th, 2009, 10:19 AM   #1
 
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Dual Ethernet Airport set up help with Wii and g4 powermac and BELL SYMPATICO

Frustration!!

I have a dual ethernet snow airport base station that I'm trying to set up my wireless network with. I have a powermac G4 with an airport card(original) and a wii. I am using bell sympatico too.

I've had the unit for years, never have got it to work. This weekend I was determined to try to get it to work so I can go online with my wii!!

So I got farther than I have ever in the past!! I have the airport actually logging onto to some sort of dsl service! That's a FIRST!! The computer recognizes that it's there, but it won't connect to it nor the internet. And the wii doesn't see it at all.

What on earth??! Are there any tips or checklists that I can use to make this work?!?! I spend a few hundred dollars on this airport in 2001 or 2002, I would like to finally use it!

Please help!!

Thanks!
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Old Jan 26th, 2009, 10:28 AM   #2
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  1. What OS version? The Airport setup software differs.
  2. What DSL modem make/model? Is it a modem or is it also a router? Is it itself trying to provide wireless?
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PS: if this is the base station model with the built in dial-up modem, I could be interested in taking it off your hands (for reasonable $ of course) as a last resort...
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When I get home from work tonight I'll fetch up all those requested items.

I was just pleased to have the stupid thing actually log onto to something and have the lights blink in time to the little box bell gave me. Oh how would I know if it's got a built in modem? (the airport?)

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When I get home from work tonight I'll fetch up all those requested items.

I was just pleased to have the stupid thing actually log onto to something and have the lights blink in time to the little box bell gave me. Oh how would I know if it's got a built in modem? (the airport?)

The box Bell "gave" you is the modem. It take the DSL signal and turns it into ethernet essentially.

However it may also provide router services depending on the model and if so it provides DHCP services (giving out IP addresses to multiple devices). This can be problematic as you can only have one DHCP server and the Airport also provides this service by default so one of the DHCP servers has to be turned off. Apple calls this Bridge Mode.

If the Bell box has an antenna it is capable of providing wifi. This can be useful or problematic depending on what you are trying to achieve. Many have found the wireless service of the Bell devices to be unreliable and turn it off in favour of Airport but there are situations where both can run together if given different SSIDs .

Etc., etc..... Maybe more than you want to hear right now. So lets find out what you've got and where you want to go. None of this is intended as condescending - I just don't know 'where you are coming from' as far as experience is concerned.
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No offence taken, I understood most of what you went on about, I've just never cared about wireless connections before, and the G4 is a newer to me unit that I just swapped out my snow imac for so I'm not 100% on the OS specs, I poped a airport card from a dead ibook into it, added some ram and closed it up

I don't care if the g4 is wired or wireless, I'd guess/assume since it's a "dual ethernet" airport I can somehow make it a wired connect. Basically I just want to get the wii and my ds online. And maybe finally use those airport cards in my neglected ibooks at some point.


I know that my "bell box" as I called it, is not a wireless anything. I did have a speedstream dsl modem box but a few months ago they gave me a much smaller unit that I've not really looked at aside to make sure it's on.
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Also it would help to know exactly what model the Airport base station is so I can (try to) find a manual so I (and others) can take a look at the exact ports available.
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Old Jan 27th, 2009, 08:41 AM   #7
 
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Ok,

OS 10.4.1
Airport M8440 (just updated the firmware inside to 4.something)
Bell Speedstrem 4200 ethernet/usb ADSL Modem.

Is there more I'm missing? I know we'll go into settings and what not.



Thanks again for your help!
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I don't know much about Bell, but at a guess, you need to set the Airport to DHCP not DSL (presumably the Bell modem handles that part for you). IOW, pretend that's not a Bell box, it's a cable modem and set it up accordingly.
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A good starting point would be to update the OS on your computers to 10.4.11 to get the last airport software version available to Tiger.
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I don't know much about Bell, but at a guess, you need to set the Airport to DHCP not DSL (presumably the Bell modem handles that part for you). IOW, pretend that's not a Bell box, it's a cable modem and set it up accordingly.
Correct on one count. The Bell box turns DSL into ethernet (conceptually speaking).

Incorrect on another. We are going to turn off DHCP on the Airport. Detailed instructions will follow shortly. I have had great luck with Bell's DSL, but I have had no luck getting their support to help me do things like turn off DHCP on my 4200 SpeedStream (same model as yours). Trust me on this - it is easier to let Bell think your modem is set up to their liking and work out your network from there. You cannot have 2 DHCPs going - you get the dreaded "double NAT" error.

Like I said I'll give more instructions shortly but I am pressed for time right at the moment.

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A good starting point would be to update the OS on your computers to 10.4.11 to get the last airport software version available to Tiger.
Excellent. Absolutely. Get the combo here: Apple - Downloads - Mac OS X Updates - Mac OS X 10.4.11 Combo Update (PPC)

Once you have run that, let any/all software updates run, but run the combo first.

Also make sure maintenance scripts have been run. I like MacJanitor. Maybe you would want to repair permissions also before the update (and after). Some say permission repair is voodoo, some say essential.

Regardless, updating the OS is a great first step.
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