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Old Nov 26th, 2008, 01:44 PM   #1
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OSX feature as annoying as Vista.

You know that "I'm a Mac" commercial where PC has his "bodyguard" filtering all his statements and asking permission everytime he says something to relay it to Mac?

Well, OSX has the exact same annoyance! Everytime transmission or firefox loads up it asks me if I want to allow or deny the program from accessing the internet. I've already said YES ALLOW DAMMIT! Is there ANY way to make it STOP asking me?! Transmission and firefox are already in the firewall's list of exceptions (System Prefs>Security>Firewall> Set access for specific services> Transmission = Allow incoming connections, Firefox = Allow incoming connections

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Old Nov 26th, 2008, 05:25 PM   #2
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When you add an application to this list, Mac OS X digitally signs the application (if it has not been signed already). If the application is later modified, you will be prompted to allow or deny incoming network connections to it. Most applications do not modify themselves, and this is a safety feature that notifies you of the change.

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All applications not in the list that have been digitally signed by a Certificate Authority trusted by the system (for the purpose of code signing) are allowed to receive incoming connections. Every Apple application in Leopard has been signed by Apple and is allowed to receive incoming connections. If you wish to deny a digitally signed application you should first add it to the list and then explicitly deny it.

If you run an unsigned application not in the Application Firewall list, you will be presented with a dialog with options to Allow or Deny connections for the application. If you choose Allow, Mac OS X 10.5 will sign the application and automatically add it to the Application Firewall list. If you choose Deny, Mac OS X 10.5 will sign the application, automatically add it to the Application Firewall list and deny the connection.

Some applications check their own integrity when they are run without using code signing. If the Application Firewall recognizes such an application it will not sign it, but then it will re-present the dialog every time the application is run. This may be avoided by upgrading to a version of the application which is signed by its developer.
Sounds like Firefox (or more likely one of the plugins you have installed) & Transmission are falling into the later case - they are either not getting signed, or are being modified via their own auto-updates. So you may just need to re-sign them?
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You know that "I'm a Mac" commercial where PC has his "bodyguard" filtering all his statements and asking permission everytime he says something to relay it to Mac?

Well, OSX has the exact same annoyance! Everytime transmission or firefox loads up it asks me if I want to allow or deny the program from accessing the internet. I've already said YES ALLOW DAMMIT! Is there ANY way to make it STOP asking me?! Transmission and firefox are already in the firewall's list of exceptions (System Prefs>Security>Firewall> Set access for specific services> Transmission = Allow incoming connections, Firefox = Allow incoming connections

1. Why do you have a firewall on?

2. Transmission needs incoming AND outgoing connections, and I wouldn't be surprised if FF does too. Sounds like you may have forgotten that part.
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1. Why do you have a firewall on?

2. Transmission needs incoming AND outgoing connections, and I wouldn't be surprised if FF does too. Sounds like you may have forgotten that part.
1. why wouldn't i have a firewall on?!

2. this is part of the issue, no where in the firewall options can i give transmission/firefox permission to go both ways.
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1. why wouldn't i have a firewall on?!
Because you're on a Mac, and it's really not needed (not a software firewall, anyway).

Your router already provides a hardware firewall, and the Mac's built-in level of security does the rest without the aid of a software firewall.

But don't take my word for it: turn off the software firewall, and visit the Shields UP! website, which checks your vulnerability:

https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2

You'll get the same results I did:
http://www.ehmac.ca/mac-ipod-help-tr...tml#post757163
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Because you're on a Mac, and it's really not needed (not a software firewall, anyway).

Your router already provides a hardware firewall, and the Mac's built-in level of security does the rest without the aid of a software firewall.

But don't take my word for it: turn off the software firewall, and visit the Shields UP! website, which checks your vulnerability:

https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2

You'll get the same results I did:
http://www.ehmac.ca/mac-ipod-help-tr...tml#post757163

Thanks chas, I did, after your first reply, turn off my firewall because i got too annoyed. I also just checked the ShieldsUp! site, Gibson is pretty cool, watched him on the Lab with leo a lot.

This whole "you're on a mac so you're oblivious to viruses" however really bothers me. Sure macs were always secure and virus free but, no offense, macs were never as widespread as windows machines and i feel that's why the desire to hack/corrupt them was never as high as the windows box. I fear now that mac has grown quite substantially over the past few years their excellent record of no viruses will soon be shot to s*&t.
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It's a known issue with the firewall in 10.5.

Actually, there are two firewalls in 10.5; the old one for incoming ports and a new one that does a bit of both incoming and outgoing. They're both active and it's the second one that is giving you the dialogs.

Hopefully they will release an update soon that addresses it.

By the way, although that is annoying, I thought you were going to complain about Stacks. Anyone know how to turn the damn thing off? I hate having to click TWICE to see my documents in a folder in the dock. Might be nice for people who only put five things in a folder, I suppose.
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