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Old May 8th, 2007, 02:44 PM   #1
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I Love iWeb.

It makes webpage design ridiculously simple. One-click publishing to .Mac is a dream. Publish to a folder so I can upload to any non-.Mac service. Great integration with iPhoto and other iLife apps.

I Hate iWeb.

Code is e-freakin'-normous. No common assets - elements are reproduced for every page! One-click publishing to .Mac never f-ing works. Publishing at all to .Mac doesn't f-ing work.

I Want iWeb 2.0. NOW!


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Old May 8th, 2007, 02:57 PM   #2
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I Love iWeb.

It makes webpage design ridiculously simple. One-click publishing to .Mac is a dream. Publish to a folder so I can upload to any non-.Mac service. Great integration with iPhoto and other iLife apps.

I Hate iWeb.

Code is e-freakin'-normous. No common assets - elements are reproduced for every page! One-click publishing to .Mac never f-ing works. Publishing at all to .Mac doesn't f-ing work.

I Want iWeb 2.0. NOW!


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Old May 8th, 2007, 04:42 PM   #3
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I downloaded Coda (and the update) the day it was released - first couple of runs through with it, it didn't "grab" me. But if iWeb doesn't smarten the heck up soon, I might just jump ship...

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Old May 9th, 2007, 03:06 AM   #4
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Old May 9th, 2007, 04:12 AM   #5
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iWeb is pretty good. I don't see the comparison to Rapidweaver though, RW is pretty basic and boring compared to iWeb. I don't think there is a program out there that makes web pages look so good so fast, the only down side is the inability to alter HTML for counters and tags. I usually make the page, then flatten it and then reedit in Dreamweaver to insert my own HTML stuff. I use iWebextender to flatten it.
The iWeb needs to make flatter sites and give you the ability to insert your own code. I imagine they will adopt the new Blogger template system and let you drag and drop code boxes to make it more Web 2.0 like.
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Old May 9th, 2007, 08:23 AM   #6
 
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But if iWeb doesn't smarten the heck up soon, I might just jump ship...
I think you're missing the point of iWeb. It's for people who can't use any other tools. It's designed for the most Internet Illiterate out there.

Yes its functionality is limited. Yes its code is huge.

If that isn't enough for you, there are lots of other options. Adobe Dreamweaver is what pros use.
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I've played with Rapidweaver, and found it too limiting.

I've used Dreamweaver, and it's a whole lotta work to do something that iWeb does much more quickly, with much more panache.

I disagree that "iWeb is for people who can't use any other tools"- I can use lots of other tools, including my beloved BBEdit, but none of those allow me to so rapidly make something so pretty.

All I want is for iWeb to be improved - soon. Last night, while backing up some material on my old homepages.mac.com webspace, I revisited a website I'd built with Photoshop and ImageReady. Which, at the time, I had thought were rather bloated and slow. Funny how memory works... since the site loads a helluva lot faster than the same site redone in iWeb.

So rather than talk about alternatives, I'd rather talk about when iWeb 2.0 might be released. It's been rumoured since last August to be released in January 2007... we're now almost five months past that.

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I agree with CubaMark, I don't consider myself "illiterate" just because I use a tool that is very effective. That is a bit patronizing. I can use Dreamweaver, but iWeb produces some amazing results in minutes, that would take hours in DW.
I have built a few websites for money using iWeb and then cleaned them in DW, so does that mean I am a pro that uses something for illiterate people?
Software snobs.
This is very similar to the "pro" camera forums where anyone who uses the "auto" function is considered an amateur. Oh my God, someone took a picture without setting their own aperture and shutter speed! We have these amazing tools at our disposal, and sometimes "auto", like iWeb does the job and produces a perfect result.
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I agree with CubaMark, I don't consider myself "illiterate" just because I use a tool that is very effective. That is a bit patronizing. I can use Dreamweaver, but iWeb produces some amazing results in minutes, that would take hours in DW.
I have built a few websites for money using iWeb and then cleaned them in DW, so does that mean I am a pro that uses something for illiterate people?
Software snobs.
This is very similar to the "pro" camera forums where anyone who uses the "auto" function is considered an amateur. Oh my God, someone took a picture without setting their own aperture and shutter speed! We have these amazing tools at our disposal, and sometimes "auto", like iWeb does the job and produces a perfect result.
Please, learn to read. Apple's focus for the software was for those who are "illiterate". This does not mean it is used exclusively by illiterate people.

Gawd, people are so [email protected]' sensitive.

And, no, it's not perfect--hence the enormous code issues that bog the page down.
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Old May 9th, 2007, 05:45 PM   #10
 
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MannyP Design gets it.

It's like complaining that iMovie doesn't do colour-correction. It's designed for entry-level people. That doesn't mean others don't use it, it just means the software is designed for the lowest common denominator (like most iLife software).
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