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Old Jul 25th, 2005, 01:04 AM   #1
 
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Mac Mid-kar program.

On stage, I use midi-karaoke files. Most of them have been created on a free PC program called Karakan. I have looked very hard and basically, there is no .kar CREATION program for Mac. (There is one that runs in classic enironment but it's a very convoluted program, in my opinion) For those who don't know, a .kar file is a text file married to a .mid file. The mid file uses one melody track that the text follows.
I am looking for a person who could create a MAC program to CREATE .kar files. I'm no programmer but I'm guessing this is not THAT big a job. The .mid and text files would be created elsewhere. This program would just select a mid file, select a track for the lyrics to follow, and allow the pasting of the text. The PC KARAKAN program also has the ability to auto hyphenate words in 4 languages but this is a frill that isn't necessary. (A 2 syllable word on 2 notes must be hyphenated) There are several Mac .kar PLAYERS (including Quicktime) but no CREATORS. For all I know, maybe Quicktime Pro can create .kar files!
I live in the Kingston area, and could get together, if helpful, with anyone in the Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal area.
Any takers?
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Old Jul 25th, 2005, 10:01 AM   #2
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you could do this in Quicktime pro
http://www.quicktiming.org/tutorials/captioning.php

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Old Jul 26th, 2005, 11:36 AM   #3
 
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re: Quicktime files

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you could do this in Quicktime pro
http://www.quicktiming.org/tutorials/captioning.php
Something I didn't mention originally: I play the kar files through a midi module. That is where I get the sound. I use a Mac program called Qmidi - a shareware program (see www.hitsquad.com)
So, running a Quicktime movie on stage is not an option. I/the world needs a program that creates .kar files. Quicktime is just another program that plays them but doesn't create them.
I've actually written the Qmidi author in Italy - asking him to write my program but he says he's 'on to other things.' It's a strange scenario. Everyone wants to play the files but nobody wants to create them.
By the way, Since there is an obvious void in the Mac world, there would at least be shareware money available for a program.
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Old Jul 26th, 2005, 12:00 PM   #4
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Qmidi supports karaoke directly. As for getting the words into stuff I think it's just a simple matter of adding a track to the midi file with the words as markers .. I'd recommend doing a bit of googling on this. You should be able to do this with just about any midi editor. Sadly I don't know of any decent shareware/freewware ones that work in OSX.
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kar ideas

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Qmidi supports karaoke directly. As for getting the words into stuff I think it's just a simple matter of adding a track to the midi file with the words as markers .. I'd recommend doing a bit of googling on this. You should be able to do this with just about any midi editor. Sadly I don't know of any decent shareware/freewware ones that work in OSX.
Hmmmm - interesting concept. I am a Logic owner. I don't think this works though. I play mid files with text markers and they don't show up in the Qmidi scrolling words window. On the other hand, When you import a kar file into Logic the words show up as 'meta events' It's POSSIBLE I could learn how to create a mid file with meta events but it can't be the best way to get words scrolling. I like your googling idea - I haven't really done that - other than look for a Mac kar program.
Keep the ideas coming!!!!!!
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Old Jul 27th, 2005, 10:38 AM   #6
 
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Here's something interesting I Googled - talking about Noteworthy composer (a PC program)
Karaoke files conform to the Official MIDI Specification, but include custom text formats for the inclusion of lyrics and other text. Karaoke files do not utilize the standard Lyric Meta Event for inclusion of song lyrics. Karaoke files use the general purpose Text Meta Event for inclusion of lyrics. NoteWorthy Composer will import lyric text events from a karaoke file as long as the file name has the correct *.kar file extension. The import uses the same procedure as described in "What is imported when a MIDI file has lyrics?", except the lyric text is derived from the Text Meta Event, rather than the official Lyric Meta Event.

On export to a MIDI file, NoteWorthy Composer uses the standard Lyric Meta Event for saving lyrics into a standard MIDI file. NoteWorthy Composer does not save files using the custom Karaoke File (*.kar) format extensions. It uses the standard defined by the Official MIDI Specification.
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