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Old Jun 9th, 2019, 04:02 PM   #1
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I mean... seriously.

Mojave 10.14.5

The only program that was using this disk (in fact, a micro-SD card in a card reader, from which I had transferred files to a folder on my desktop) was the bloody Finder.

The operation was complete. There was no reason for Finder not to release the damn disk.

This happens often enough that it's bothersome.
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Old Jun 9th, 2019, 04:34 PM   #2
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Likewise, not being able to trash image files, because the Preview application had once viewed them.
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Old Jun 9th, 2019, 05:59 PM   #3
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Windows has always handled external USB drives better. On a Mac it is always so slow to eject and even to transfer files compared to windows. Obviously it is OS related but you think it would be something Apple would fix and improve.
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I back up my SSD with a CCC clone and TM every day. I run both at once and when they are done I used to select both icons on the desktop and then command 'e' to unmount them. It always took 30 seconds or so for them to unmount. Now I select them one at a time and do the same thing and it cuts the time in half. And yes, copying a 1 GB file to a flash drive takes minutes on my MBP with an SSD, yet the very same file on my much slower Mac Mini with a standard HD is done in 15 seconds or less, WTH?
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Old Jun 10th, 2019, 03:14 PM   #5
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I mean... seriously.

Mojave 10.14.5

The only program that was using this disk (in fact, a micro-SD card in a card reader, from which I had transferred files to a folder on my desktop) was the bloody Finder.

The operation was complete. There was no reason for Finder not to release the damn disk.

This happens often enough that it's bothersome.
That's a UNIX thing... even if you have a directory open on that filesystem, you can't unmount. Annoying but safe. IIRC if finder has a pane open, there are hidden files open as well.
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Old Jun 11th, 2019, 08:54 AM   #6
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That's a UNIX thing... even if you have a directory open on that filesystem, you can't unmount. Annoying but safe. IIRC if finder has a pane open, there are hidden files open as well.
+1 .. I was going to say the same thing. It's at the end of the day it's a mounted file system. It may seem something as simple or trivial as an SD card or just a USB key, but the system treats it no differently than any mounted drive. *NIX operating systems use something called write caching for efficiency on almost all drives.

Windows has always been a little more cavalier with it's use of this (and there are settings in Windows to turn it off and on) but in reality you should unmount before you remove and mounted file system (Windows or *NIX) to help prevent the chance of data loss, application hangs and system stability.

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Old Jun 11th, 2019, 09:44 PM   #7
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And yes, copying a 1 GB file to a flash drive takes minutes on my MBP with an SSD, yet the very same file on my much slower Mac Mini with a standard HD is done in 15 seconds or less, WTH?

Just curious, but where does your impression of your Mac Mini being "much slower" come from???

And many cheaper "flash drives" can often be slower than many decent HDDs.

There's probably some very valid reasons for your file copy speed differences, but currently there are too many variables to provide a simple answer or comparison I'd say.


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That's a UNIX thing... even if you have a directory open on that filesystem, you can't unmount. Annoying but safe. IIRC if finder has a pane open, there are hidden files open as well.
This is reproducible / consistent. Happens with no apps running (just Finder) and no windows open, nothing minimized to the dock.

Annoying A.F. Surely in the 21st century there's a way to be smart about this at the OS level?
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This is reproducible / consistent. Happens with no apps running (just Finder) and no windows open, nothing minimized to the dock.
How about the menu bar? There could also be background tasks that provide no interface, too.

You can try this command in Terminal, Replacing 'Data' with the name of the volume.

lsof | egrep "\/Volumes\/Data"

It will list processes that have something open that beings with /Volumes/{your volume name}. That should give you a hint, especially if you run it prior to ejecting, and while the error is on screen.

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Annoying A.F. Surely in the 21st century there's a way to be smart about this at the OS level?
There are various strategies sure. The UNIX one errs on the side of safety. Ensuring a removable mounted (and writeable) volume is always up to date for a speedy removal come with costs, performance being one big item.

I suspect in your case something is amiss; it could even be a long forgotten Alias on your system drive to files on that volume. Or MacKeeper!
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