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Old Dec 4th, 2004, 12:56 AM   #1
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Okay. Time for good karma to come my way.

I bought a Sonnet Tempo ATA133 -- not the RAID one; the "normal" one (was told I did not need the RAID card to RAID in OS X) -- as well as two Hitachi 180Gb drives. I want to replace my internal drives and SOLELY use these two drives in a striped RAID (one big, fast mofo hard drive). Here is what I did and what happened:

I CCC'd my original drive to an external FW drive (repairing permissions beforehand). I booted off it to make sure all was kosher. It was. Then, I shut down, yanked my old drives, put the ATA133 card in and replaced my old drives with the new ones, and booted off the FW drive. I could see both the new drives. All was well. Then, I booted Disk Utility and created the striped RAID. All was well. Then, I booted CCC and restored the FW to the RAID (repairing permissions beforehand). All went
well. Then, I selected the RAID to boot off via the Startup Disk preference pane and rebooted.

Then, all was not well.

It booted into open firmware. Yikes. Never been there before. The error said:

WARNING! MSSCR VALUES MIS-MATCH. DEFAULT CATCH! CODE=300 AT %SRRO ff80b648
%srr1: 0000b030

Apple PowerMac 3, 342.88f1

Boot ROM built on 10/11/01

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I then typed "shut-down" and tried again. no go. I then Option-booted off my FW drive and here I am.

The drives check out perfectly in Disk First Aid and I can access the RAID. just cannot boot off it.

The Sonnet card's box does say it can boot off any drive and is 10.3 compatible -- but there's nothing about RAID on it or in the instructions.

Here is the Sonnet Tempo ATA133's description in System Profiler:

Name: Ultra-Tek133P+
Type: ata
Bus: PCI
Slot: SLOT-D
Vendor ID: 0x105a
Device ID: 0x4d69
Subsystem Vendor ID: 0x105a
Subsystem ID: 0xad69
ROM Revision: 4.5.0
Revision ID: 0x0002

The Sonnet card's firmware is up to date (ver 4.5), as is my Sawtooth's firmware, and OS X is at 10.3.6.

So? Any idea what the hell is going on? I'm gonna Google on this, but ANY FAST HELP would be appreciated!!!

Thanks IN ADVANCE!


EDIT:

Here's another (and perhaps pertinent) question:

When I installed the two drives, I set one for master and one for slave. BUT, there are several "modes" that the IDE chain can be set to and I do not know which one applies to my situation: "16 heads", "15 heads, "32GB clip" and "Auto spin disable". Looking at the two ATA133 drives i pulled off my stock ATA66 bus, I decided to set the new drives to the same mode: "16 heads".

Might the ATA133 RAID boot if the disks are set to a different mode??

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[ December 04, 2004, 12:17 AM: Message edited by: Macaholic ]
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Old Dec 4th, 2004, 02:33 AM   #2
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Okay. No response. So, I went ahead and switched to cable select mode on both drives. Firmware error reported a slight variation from the above message:

Instead of ff80b648", it nows says "ff80ca54".

waddeverdahelldatmeans [img]tongue.gif[/img]

I also yanked my audio card to try and lighten the load. No go.

Am I still fine to stick with the "16 heads" settings?? We're talking FOUR different termination modes, here...

Will now move the ATA card around the PCI slots.... WEEEeeee.....!
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Old Dec 4th, 2004, 02:38 AM   #3
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BTW, check out all these Sawtooths sportin' RAIDS:

http://ladd.dyndns.org/xbench/merge.xhtml?doc1=66426

http://ladd.dyndns.org/xbench/merge.xhtml?doc1=61149

http://ladd.dyndns.org/xbench/merge.xhtml?doc1=66411

http://ladd.dyndns.org/xbench/merge.xhtml?doc1=56846

http://ladd.dyndns.org/xbench/merge.xhtml?doc1=54994

http://ladd.dyndns.org/xbench/merge.xhtml?doc1=64211

http://ladd.dyndns.org/xbench/merge.xhtml?doc1=62130

http://ladd.dyndns.org/xbench/merge.xhtml?doc1=64745

http://ladd.dyndns.org/xbench/merge.xhtml?doc1=65673

http://ladd.dyndns.org/xbench/merge.xhtml?doc1=78393

What justice would there be in this world if I couldn't RAID my old Sawtooth??

EDIT: it's possible that these sysstem don;t actually BOOT off them...

Gonna Google this fricking "16 heads, 15 heads, 32GB clip, AUTOSPIN DISABLE" ****

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Old Dec 4th, 2004, 02:40 AM   #4
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There is no Classic issue.
i was just repeating what you told me over the phone, or is it different if you don't use a pci card??
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Classic works on top of the underlying OS - if it's a Mac volume Classic works.
What you may not have understood - you cannot BOOT into a raid from both X and 9 - only one or the other.

Classic is not a bootable issue - it's emulation. Booting in 9 is another situation entirely.



Maca - try another drive and see if it will boot off the card.
There's lots of bootable pci raids around.

When you CCCd you made sure it was set to bootable going back to the RAID??

Check the firmware on the drives as well.



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Old Dec 4th, 2004, 04:33 AM   #7
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Well, found lots of people speaking othere languages making mention of the "16 heads", "15 heads", "32GB clip", "auto spin disable" crap -- and Google aint deft at translating! It all reads like a conversation between those "TWO WILD AND CRAZY GUYS!"

But I did find these:

http://www.hitachigst.com/hdd/suppor...d120gxpjum.htm

This is a crappy translation of a detailed article:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=http://www.intodigi.net/2004/7-13/181011-4.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%252216%2Bheads%2522,%2B%252215%2Bhea ds%2522,%2B%252232GB% 2Bclip%2522,%2B%2522auto%2Bspin%2Bdisable%2522%26s tart%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26c2coff%3D1%26sa%3DN

And these two PDFs:

http://www.hitachigst.com/tech/techl.../D7K250_ig.pdf

http://glen.utdallas.edu/Glen/Home/n...0reference.pdf

Tryng to wade through this stuff...
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Classic is not a bootable issue - it's emulation. Booting in 9 is another situation entirely.
but it is something anyone attempting a RAID should be aware of. i think you knew what i was trying to say.... you could have simply corrected what i said rather than a blanket contradiction , which is misleading....

on a somewhat irrelevant note, classic isn't emulation since it is running on native hardware. VPC, PearPC and their ilk are emulators.

edit: what are we still doing up at this hour anyway?
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Hey guys. You don't sleep, either?

MacDoc's points:
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you cannot BOOT into a raid from both X and 9 - only one or the other.
Hrm... well, I'm game to only boot into X. Hell, I could keep ONE drive on the ATA66 bus as a back-pocket kinda thang.

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Maca - try another drive and see if it will boot off the card. There's lots of bootable pci raids around.
Will slap my Seagate 120GB on it and see. Will first try reformatting the drives (non-RAID) and restoring to ONE of them to see if I can boot.

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When you CCCd you made sure it was set to bootable going back to the RAID??
Checked for booting on the backup (I'm running on it now). Repaired permissions at every step. Can access the RADI once booted off of other drives. Just can't boot the bitch.

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Check the firmware on the drives as well.
Aw JEEZ. I had to miss SOMETHING there. Drives were made within the past year. Am looking into it...

(I can run my Sawtooth with the door open... RIGHT?

HEY! When I formatted the disks, I specified OS 9 drivers present. Problem??


Now Skyhook's post:

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I'd heed the issue about using Apple tools to prep the HDD
Well, I did use Disk Utility. Are you referring to that? or a fresh install? (can't see that being an issue that I didn't install fresh).

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because I thought X still had to be on the first physical partition of the selected drive, or was that NT? Maybe the stripe is already the problem, the first partition not being an actual physical partition.
I thought that only refers to "old world" mobos: Beige G3, Rev A & B iMacs and older. This is an 2X AGP Sawtooth. I am beginning to suspect MacDoc's supposition that its a power supply issue may be the case. But I'm not dead, yet (read on).

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Look for a twist in the cable. If it has a small section twisted, then maybe you should be using the master jumper on both disks to compensate. I just made that up.
WTF??! [img]tongue.gif[/img] That's not helping .

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Odd that they wouldn't talk about that online,
If you're referring to that whole "heads" thing and the 32GB clip and Auto-spin disable on the jumpers, I agree. I had a devil of a time Googling it. Apparently, it is unique to IBM/Hitachi, who made/make the Deskstar drive.

[quote]but I believe new disks are always master from the factory, if the jumpers are installed.[quote]

They were. Since the cable that came with the Tempo ATA133 card has specific connectors for a slave and a master, however, I switched the jumpers over to auto-sense. Both ways, however, the System did not boot.

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I find it odd that any RAID would have two IDE disks on the same channel, so I wish I understood that better from your description.
This card does have TWO connectors on it. Is it a true dual channel card? Dunno. As it can support up to four drives, my guess is yes ( Info and specs here ). But, as the card came with ONE data ribbon capable of accommodating two drives on it, I used ONE drive connector for my two drives. Ergo, the other ATA connector on the Tempo card is unused.

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The funny thing that I read on Hitachi was that there seems to be some deal about telling the first disk, via jumper, that there is a second slave disk to look for, even though the second disk is already jumpered as a slave. That detail was a new concept for me.
Well, the Deskstar drives do have a (busy) jumper setting called "Forcing Dev 1 Present"; looks like this jumper setting should be on Dev 0 (duh).

So, maybe I'll try this (Stick with the 16 heads settings throughout this (as I have all along) :

PLAN 1 FROM OUTER SPACE:

Set the master disk to force recognize Dev 1.
Reformat drives (maybe without OS 9 drivers??!) Journalling off (as has been the case all along)

Stripe them and restore from CCC'd FW drive.

See if that works.

PLAN TWO FROM OUTER SPACE:

The stock cable from my Sawtooth is an 80 pin cable... just like the one that came with the Tempo card. Maybe I'll use the stock cable as well to set each card on its own channel, putting them both as master (as they'll be on separate IDE busses) and see what happens? But... that "forcing Dev 1 present" setting on the master drive JUST MIGHT make it aware of its RAIDED partner??! We'll see, as that is Plan ONE from outer Space.

Heaven help me if I'm forced up to Plan NINE!

Now... what about resetting the Power Manager?? Do you do this on a Sawtooth?? might i need to? How about zapping the PRAM (can't see it... but who knows??)
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