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Something I've noted several times is that, while most of us agree it's important to be informed about Canadian politics and to be an engaged citizen, the fact is that Canadian politics are generally pretty boring (this can be a good thing, IMO). The Americans, on the other hand, have turned the dysfunction of their political system into an entertainment industry (although it appears Harper, et al., are determined to reduce the Canadian system to the same level).

So I thought I'd start a thread for discussion of the Reality TV show they call American Politics.

I'll start with this posting I saw on another forum, with respect to the Republican's policies on women's health care, especially with regard to contraception and abortion:
After years and years and years of specifically targeting homophobes, racists, bigots, religious zealots, anti-intellectuals and sociopaths why should we be at all shocked that the GOP picked up a ****load of misogynists along the way?
 
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That is from Reagan's 1981 Inaugural Address after he was elected. During the actual election he stayed clear of far-right views. Even William F. Buckley, Jr, in his book "The Reagan I Knew" comment upon the fact that while he thought Reagan would "pull the nuclear trigger" realized that he would not have gone that far, unlike what Goldwater threatened to do. This belief that we should not get into a nuclear war lead Reagan to negotiate and sign the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces treaty with the Soviet Union, a treaty which Buckley, Jr. opposed.
Far-right views and conservative views are not the same thing.

However, Reagan's five planks during his election campaign were:
1) he promised to cut taxes,
2) implement supply-side economics,
3) strengthen the military,
4) decrease government regulation and
5) promote states' rights prior to being elected.

Reagan signed the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces treaty with the Soviet Union because it resulted in the destruction of far more Soviet missiles than American--about twice as many—a clear advantage to the U.S. military.
 
#142 ·
True, this is why I suggested you go see the 2008 exit polls. If bryanc is using anecdotes to defend his views, which you reject, what stats are you using to defend your views?
I didn't make the first claim. However, it's easy to find the figures. More Democrats voted for McCain than did Republicans vote for Obama.

Exit polls showed 10% of Democrats supporting McCain to 9% of Republicans supporting Obama.

Local Exit Polls - Election Center 2008 - Elections & Politics from CNN.com
 
#144 ·
Looks like Donald Trump is hoping to get a nod to be vice president ............ but in 2016 ........... and with a Democrat!!!!!!!!!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:

"(CNN) - Donald Trump one again stirred the presidential pot, this time with his eye on Hillary Clinton.

The real estate mogul predicted Secretary of State Clinton will run for president in 2016.

– Follow the Ticker on Twitter: @PoliticalTicker

"I think you know, assuming she's healthy, which I think she will be I think she probably runs after the next four years," Trump said Wednesday on Fox News.

Clinton failed to capture the Democratic presidential nomination in 2008 against then-Sen. Barack Obama and has said publicly she will not run for office after her tenure at the State Department.

Although Trump, who weighed his own presidential bid earlier this year, would not say if she would receive his support in 2016, he did offer up praise for the former New York senator.

"Hillary Clinton, I think, is a terrific woman," Trump said. "I just like her. I like her and I like her husband." "

TRENDING: Trump floats Clinton in 2016 – CNN Political Ticker - CNN.com Blogs
 
#149 ·
Who would win this hypothetical race for the presidency in 2016?

Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D-N.Y.) or Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.)
 
#151 ·
Rubio--though Andrew Cuomo has done a surprisingly decent job of cutting New York state government down to size.
I have been online with a friend in Georgia who makes you look like a far left member of the NDP. He voted for Ron Paul in GA during the primary, but felt that Paul is a moderate. We have been running scenarios for 2016 back and forth.

So far, we agree upon a Repbublican combo of Rubio and Rand Paul, and Cuomo and ???. Neither of us can agree upon a #2 person for the Democrats. I can't see Biden or H. Clinton for the #1 spot, so he and I have been thinking outside of the proverbial box.

What do you think of Rand Paul or Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan as the VP choice for a Rubio presidency?
 
#153 ·
Mark Firore's take on Paul Ryan's budget proposal. :clap:
Cute .......... Sadly, all too true, however.

I know that this will set off a fire-storm of howls from some here in ehMacLand, but I was very impressed with Pres. Obama's speech yesterday re his reaction to this Ryan budget plan. I see the lines being drawn clearly between what he envisions for America and what the Republicans envisions for America. At this point, whomever is the Republican candidate for the presidency, it will be an interesting campaign up to November. We shall see.

Paix, mon ami.
 
#154 ·
Cute .......... Sadly, all too true, however.

I know that this will set off a fire-storm of howls from some here in ehMacLand, but I was very impressed with Pres. Obama's speech yesterday re his reaction to this Ryan budget plan.
I thought Obama's speech was one of the most pitiful of his career--frustrated, wheedling and petulant. On the other hand, I approved of his signing a bill that makes insider trading among house and senate members illegal.
 
#155 ·
I thought Obama's speech was one of the most pitiful of his career--frustrated, wheedling and petulant. On the other hand, I approved of his signing a bill that makes insider trading among house and senate members illegal.
Bazinga, Macfury. I had a feeling that you would not like his speech. As I said, the lines are being drawn. Still, we do agree upon the congressional insider trading bill. This was LONG overdue. Certain members of both the Democratic and Republican Party members of Congress have gotten wealthy via this illegal route. You and I would be in jail if we did what some of them did re insider info. We also agree that Rep. Ron Paul has been supporting this move for years, and has not profited from this sort of info. While I don't like many of his views, I respect his honesty and efforts to stand up for the Constitution.

Paix, mon ami.
 
#156 ·
Cute .......... Sadly, all too true, however.

I know that this will set off a fire-storm of howls from some here in ehMacLand, but I was very impressed with Pres. Obama's speech yesterday re his reaction to this Ryan budget plan. I see the lines being drawn clearly between what he envisions for America and what the Republicans envisions for America. At this point, whomever is the Republican candidate for the presidency, it will be an interesting campaign up to November. We shall see.

Paix, mon ami.
For the most part when BO talks it is wise to take a glance in the opposite direction as his actions seldom match his words.
 
#157 ·
I just heard the news. I did not expect Rick Santorum to suddenly drop out, but he announced the suspension of his campaign. This all but gives the nomination to Romney.
 
#159 ·
Romney is definitely a weak candidate. However, I expect the anti-Obama vote to solidify behind him.
I am hoping that Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich keep this campaign going all the way to Tampa. I wonder if there will be more anti-Romney voters coming forth than anti-Pres. Obama comes Nov.? We shall see.

Paix, mon ami.
 
#160 ·
It will be interesting to see how Romney moves away from his self-declared being "severely conservative" to try to moderate to the center to try and get those independent voters. We shall see.
 
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