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#1 ·
Something I've noted several times is that, while most of us agree it's important to be informed about Canadian politics and to be an engaged citizen, the fact is that Canadian politics are generally pretty boring (this can be a good thing, IMO). The Americans, on the other hand, have turned the dysfunction of their political system into an entertainment industry (although it appears Harper, et al., are determined to reduce the Canadian system to the same level).

So I thought I'd start a thread for discussion of the Reality TV show they call American Politics.

I'll start with this posting I saw on another forum, with respect to the Republican's policies on women's health care, especially with regard to contraception and abortion:
After years and years and years of specifically targeting homophobes, racists, bigots, religious zealots, anti-intellectuals and sociopaths why should we be at all shocked that the GOP picked up a ****load of misogynists along the way?
 
#81 ·
I'm not so sure that Obama will win, as it appeared to me from the moment of his election that his own party was against him..I am not so sure things have changed all that much.
True. Many Democrats are concerned that some of his policies are too progressive. Still the final say shall be with the people of America. Macfury may not have faith in their wisdom, but I do. Thus, we shall see.

Paix, mon ami.
 
#82 ·
I'm not so sure that Obama will win, as it appeared to me from the moment of his election that his own party was against him..I am not so sure things have changed all that much.
True.

On the other hand, the moderate Republicans may still not be able to stomach voting in Romney, and as such they may vote Obama.

Tea party politics have badly hurt the Republicans. I continue to feel badly for John Huntsman--he had no chance, but THAT would have been an interesting election.
 
#83 ·
True. Many Democrats are concerned that some of his policies are too progressive. Still the final say shall be with the people of America. Macfury may not have faith in their wisdom, but I do. Thus, we shall see.

Paix, mon ami.
The people of America are not "wise" simply because they are "the people."

The Israelites demanded a King and they were warned:

“This will be the procedure of the king who will reign over you: he will take your sons and place them for himself in his chariots and among his horsemen and they will run before his chariots. “And he will appoint for himself commanders of thousands and of fifties, and some to do his plowing and to reap his harvest and to make his weapons of war and equipment for his chariots. He will also take your daughters for perfumers and cooks and bakers. And he will take the best of your fields and your vineyards and your olive groves, and give them to his servants. And he will take a tenth of your seed and of your vineyards, and give to his officers and to his servants. He will also take your male servants and your female servants and your best young men and your donkeys, and use them for his work. He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his servants. Then you will cry out in that day because of your king whom you have chosen for yourselves, but the LORD will not answer you in that day.”
 
#84 ·
The people of America are not "wise" simply because they are "the people."

The Israelites demanded a King and they were warned:
Interesting. However, the people of America would freely elect a president, either Pres. Obama, for whom I shall vote, or someone else, possibly someone whom you would vote for if given the chance.

You may know the future for the presidential election, but I still say that we need to let the people have their say in a democratic election. If Pres. Obama loses, so be it. The people of America have spoken. If Pres. Obama wins, well .............. then I told you so. We shall see.

Re you biblical reference --

When Samuel was old he made his sons judges over Israel. In early Israel, there was never the pattern of judges being appointed by men, or of the office of judge being passed from father to son. Samuel was not right in appointing his sons judges over Israel.

His sons did not" walk in his ways" as we were taught in Hebrew School. This is why Samuel was wrong to appoint his sons as judges over Israel. These sons took to undertaking dishonest gains, took bribes, and perverted justice.

While it is was wise for the elders of Israel to reject Samuel’s sons as leaders, it was wrong for them to say, “Now make for us a king to judge us like all the nations.” I feel that the reason Israel wanted a king was wrong.

Gideon was once offered the throne over Israel. He refused it, saying “I will not rule over you, nor shall my son rule over you; the Lord shall rule over you.”

Shalom, mon ami.
 
#85 ·
True.

On the other hand, the moderate Republicans may still not be able to stomach voting in Romney, and as such they may vote Obama.

Tea party politics have badly hurt the Republicans. I continue to feel badly for John Huntsman--he had no chance, but THAT would have been an interesting election.
I actually liked some of Huntsman's positions, and I respect Ron Paul's honesty.

It may come down to an Obama/Biden campaign focused on the economy, highlighting the difference between the president's promoting the private sector and the middle class and the GOP's promoting the privileged sector. This will most likely happen if Romney is the Rep. candidate. A victory on either side will depend largely on the economy and grand issues of war and peace. Reality trumps rhetoric.

We shall see.
 
#87 ·
if the news continues to be good on the US's "unexpected bump" through the election, Obama will clean Romney's clock.
We shall see. Iran or some other unexpected crisis could derail this clock cleaning. It shall be close.
 
#89 ·
for sure. Plenty can happen in the next 9 months
With Romney just taking the Illinois primary by a wide margin, it looks as if it shall be him as their candidate. It shall be interesting to see who he chooses as his running mate.
 
#91 ·
the republicans need something to hang their hat on.

Watch for it...
Have faith in the Republicans, gt. If there is not a real issue, they can always make one up. We shall see.
 
#94 ·
Interesting. However, the people of America would freely elect a president, either Pres. Obama, for whom I shall vote, or someone else, possibly someone whom you would vote for if given the chance.

You may know the future for the presidential election, but I still say that we need to let the people have their say in a democratic election. If Pres. Obama loses, so be it. The people of America have spoken. If Pres. Obama wins, well .............. then I told you so. We shall see.

Re you biblical reference --

When Samuel was old he made his sons judges over Israel. In early Israel, there was never the pattern of judges being appointed by men, or of the office of judge being passed from father to son. Samuel was not right in appointing his sons judges over Israel.

His sons did not" walk in his ways" as we were taught in Hebrew School. This is why Samuel was wrong to appoint his sons as judges over Israel. These sons took to undertaking dishonest gains, took bribes, and perverted justice.

While it is was wise for the elders of Israel to reject Samuel’s sons as leaders, it was wrong for them to say, “Now make for us a king to judge us like all the nations.” I feel that the reason Israel wanted a king was wrong.

Gideon was once offered the throne over Israel. He refused it, saying “I will not rule over you, nor shall my son rule over you; the Lord shall rule over you.”

Shalom, mon ami.
Yes, but in their wisdom, the people demanded a KIng!
 
#95 ·
I figure Obama is in for a second term, despite the fact that his current low approval rating and the general poor condition of the economy would ordinarily work against him.

The US economy is finally starting to show some signs of life, and the Republicans are locked in a long drawn out leadership race. Their most electable leadership candidate thinks it is a good idea to strap a dog to the roof of his car and drive down the highway, and the others go downhill from there.

if the economy had continued to bounce along the bottom and Romney had won the primaries quickly and decisively, and run against Obama's economic record then I suspect the election would be his to lose. Instead we are seeing some "green shoots" in the economy, and the Republicans are all trying to appeal to the Tea Party base rather than the median voter.
 
#96 ·
I figure Obama is in for a second term, despite the fact that his current low approval rating and the general poor condition of the economy would ordinarily work against him.

The US economy is finally starting to show some signs of life, and the Republicans are locked in a long drawn out leadership race. Their most electable leadership candidate thinks it is a good idea to strap a dog to the roof of his car and drive down the highway, and the others go downhill from there.

if the economy had continued to bounce along the bottom and Romney had won the primaries quickly and decisively, and run against Obama's economic record then I suspect the election would be his to lose. Instead we are seeing some "green shoots" in the economy, and the Republicans are all trying to appeal to the Tea Party base rather than the median voter.
Hillary and Obama had a long, drawn-out leadership battle, and Obama thought it was a good idea to attend the church of Jeremiah Wright.

"Green shoots" in the economy? Only when you discount the collapse in the number of people still in the U.S. job market, do job figures look good.

I don't think the reasons you've supplied are a slam dunk for the Prez.
 
#97 ·
Yes, but in their wisdom, the people demanded a KIng!
Yes, but Pres. Obama is not a king. The US broke away from the king of England back on July 4th, 1776. Once again, read your American history.

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."
 
#98 ·
Yes, but Pres. Obama is not a king. The US broke away from the king of England back on July 4th, 1776. Once again, read your American history.

"When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."
I am referring only to the collective wisdom of the people--unless you are suggesting that the American people have greater wisdom than the people of Israel.
 
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