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Old Apr 6th, 2020, 09:39 PM   #19931
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Given that the chances of coming off the ventilators alive are pretty poor, they might be better trying different approaches.

Besides the one for which Trump was unfairly ridiculed, there is also blood serum transfusions taken from those who have survived.
I've heard that supplying oxygen has a better outcome as the ventilators continue to damage lung tissue -- but this is only hearsay.
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Old Apr 6th, 2020, 09:57 PM   #19932
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Falls short of what? Cuomo's demands?
Should have said falls short based on projections.

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8,900 serious cases of coronavirus in the entire country. New York has one third of the national total. Even counting about 3,500 serious cases in NY requiring ventilators as of April 6, who in their right mind would allocate 30,000 ventilators to New York state?
New York state has about 119,000 cases. Creeping up on 1/3 of the entire US total. I'm not sure what's the determinant to say none can become serious.

Are you saying that the request should have been based only on the bare minimal serious case numbers as they stood at the day of the request?
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Old Apr 6th, 2020, 10:57 PM   #19933
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We already know how many serious cases are cropping up out of the total number of infections based on worst case scenarios in other countries. In Spain, one of the hardest hit counties, it's about 5%. In New York, roughly 3% are turning serious, and they're currently using 3,500 ventilators.

Would I bet that New York will not be requiring an additional 30,000 ventilators, which will assume that New York has more cases than the entire world combined? Yup. The request is crazy. What do you tell Louisiana? Cuomo has all your ventilators because he quacked louder than you did?

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Should have said falls short based on projections.



New York state has about 119,000 cases. Creeping up on 1/3 of the entire US total. I'm not sure what's the determinant to say none can become serious.

Are you saying that the request should have been based only on the bare minimal serious case numbers as they stood at the day of the request?
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Old Apr 6th, 2020, 11:28 PM   #19934
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We already know how many serious cases are cropping up out of the total number of infections based on worst case scenarios in other countries. In Spain, one of the hardest hit counties, it's about 5%. In New York, roughly 3% are turning serious, and they're currently using 3,500 ventilators.

Would I bet that New York will not be requiring an additional 30,000 ventilators, which will assume that New York has more cases than the entire world combined? Yup. The request is crazy. What do you tell Louisiana? Cuomo has all your ventilators because he quacked louder than you did?
Your numbers are off.

From today's briefing, just New York City:
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coro...-week/2360828/

Maybe you will be right, maybe Cuomo will be.

I think in the context of a public health emergency, one like never seen before there shouldn't be room for egos and I told you so's.
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Old Apr 7th, 2020, 12:22 AM   #19935
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That briefing is two days old and it features DeBlasio, not Cuomo. At the time, NYC is using 2,800 ventilators and wants 1,500 more. That's a reasonable request.

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I think in the context of a public health emergency, one like never seen before there shouldn't be room for egos and I told you so's
A public health emergency requires critical thinking skills and strategic deployment of resources. Only a massive ego like Cuomo possesses would try to corner the nation's ventilator supplies.


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Your numbers are off.

From today's briefing, just New York City:
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/coro...-week/2360828/

Maybe you will be right, maybe Cuomo will be.
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Trump Just Tried to Explain Why Voting by Mail Is 'Corrupt' Except When He Does It, and the Hypocrisy Is Real


Seconds after Trump said that mail-in voting was "horrible" and "corrupt," one White House correspondent pointed out that Trump—who became a Florida resident late last year—voted absentee in the state this month.

When asked how he reconciled that, Trump said:
"Because I'm allowed to...You know why I voted? Because I happened to be in the White House and I won't be able to go to Florida to vote. There's a big difference between somebody that's out of state and does a ballot and everything's sealed...and you get thousands and thousands of people sitting in somebody's living room signing ballots all over the place. No, I think mail-in voting is a terrible thing. I think if you vote, you should go...you look at what they do where they grab thousands of mail-in ballots and they dump it."
Wow.

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I wouldn't set a precedent with a "last-minute surge" in requests for absentee ballots to be submitted following an election either. Trump is right.
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Old Apr 8th, 2020, 12:24 PM   #19938
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Old Apr 8th, 2020, 02:10 PM   #19939
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Bernie Sanders Drops Out to Give Nomination to Senile Racist Credibly Accused of Rape

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Cowardly old goat.

A friend of mine says that Bernie is just "controlled opposition" -- a Socialist alternative who is controlled by the Democrat Establishment to make sure that Socialists remain in the party.

That's why Bernie Sanders refuses to ever damage a Democrat front-runner.

And that's why, my friend says, Alexandria Donkey-Chompers stopped supporting him a month and a half ago -- she got upset at his relentless unwillingness to ever take a shot at the Democrat establishment.

Sounds like a good theory -- except that part about Alexandria Donkey-Chompers figuring something out.

That's preposterous.
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Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) suspended his presidential bid on Wednesday, ending a campaign that once appeared on track to dominate the Democratic nominating contest but that quickly lost momentum.

Sanders began reevaluating his campaign after a string of primary losses last month. But he continued his push for the nomination for weeks before ultimately telling his staff in a conference call on Wednesday morning that he had decided to drop out of the race.

His decision to suspend his campaign effectively paves the way for former Vice President Joe Biden to claim the Democratic presidential nomination.
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That briefing is two days old and it features DeBlasio, not Cuomo. At the time, NYC is using 2,800 ventilators and wants 1,500 more. That's a reasonable request.

A public health emergency requires critical thinking skills and strategic deployment of resources. Only a massive ego like Cuomo possesses would try to corner the nation's ventilator supplies.
DeBlasio now says NYC has enough ventilators.
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