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Old Jul 27th, 2011, 01:23 PM   #41
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An article regarding the salmon study: The Tyee - Is a Virus Ravaging BC's Sockeye?
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Old Jul 27th, 2011, 01:31 PM   #42
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They tell us that by publishing.
I was unaware that the average Canadian had a subscription to Science, let alone the expertise to read and understand the research published therein. Perhaps Canadians are vastly more scientifically literate than the citizens of other countries, who get information about important scientific advances (especially when these advances are relevant to public policy) from the popular media.

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The government is also hiring people I would never hire, and spending on programs that are anathema to me.
And me as well. But the fact that I disagree with the resource allocations does not mean that I (and every other citizen) should not share in whatever benefits may accrue as a result of these ill-conceived investments of my tax dollars.

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their media policies are about as generous as that of the private sector.
Ah, here's the crux of it. If a private company hires a scientist, and she signs an NDA as part of her contract, then there's no grounds for anyone to cry foul when the corporation keeps her discoveries secret. In contrast, when the Canadian government hires scientists using public money to do research in the public interest and/or to inform public policy, the public has every right to hear about their discoveries.

But don't worry, I'm sure Harper will be doing away with science in Canada as quickly as he can now that he has his majority.
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Old Jul 27th, 2011, 01:49 PM   #43
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I was unaware that the average Canadian had a subscription to Science, let alone the expertise to read and understand the research published therein. Perhaps Canadians are vastly more scientifically literate than the citizens of other countries, who get information about important scientific advances (especially when these advances are relevant to public policy) from the popular media.
The newspapers get press releases from these magazines, as noted above.


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And me as well. But the fact that I disagree with the resource allocations does not mean that I (and every other citizen) should not share in whatever benefits may accrue as a result of these ill-conceived investments of my tax dollars.
You don't get the benefits exactly as you want them. I could benefit greatly from some surplus government items, but I have to register as an auction bidder--I can't buy them in a store. Rules I'm afraid.

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Ah, here's the crux of it. If a private company hires a scientist, and she signs an NDA as part of her contract, then there's no grounds for anyone to cry foul when the corporation keeps her discoveries secret. In contrast, when the Canadian government hires scientists using public money to do research in the public interest and/or to inform public policy, the public has every right to hear about their discoveries.
Hear about--but they have no right to demand a media interview take place.
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Old Jul 27th, 2011, 01:53 PM   #44
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So how do they 'hear about'...



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So how do they 'hear about'...
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An article regarding the salmon study: The Tyee - Is a Virus Ravaging BC's Sockeye?
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The newspapers get press releases from these magazines, as noted above.
Yes, exactly. And then the press asks to interview the lead authors on important studies to clarify for the non-expert (as noted above). And then the Harper government says "SILENCE! No one talks to the scientists!"

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they have no right to demand a media interview take place.
Again, the media is requesting the interviews; no one is demanding to be interviewed. What possible reason could the government have for preventing scientists from talking to the media? What do they have to hide? Why don't the want the average Canadian to know that it appears a new disease - apparently imported from the Atlantic - is spreading in Pacific salmon? Could it have anything to do with their policy of promoting the farming of Atlantic salmon on the West coast?
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what's wrong with an interview?

Nice dodge btw.



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Old Jul 27th, 2011, 02:01 PM   #48
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Yes, exactly. And then the press asks to interview the lead authors on important studies to clarify for the non-expert (as noted above). And then the Harper government says "SILENCE! No one talks to the scientists!"
No one talks to them quickly, anyway.

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Could it have anything to do with their policy of promoting the farming of Atlantic salmon on the West coast?
I don't know--what does the article in the TYEE say?
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Further to the link above, this quote might explain why the media wasn't permitted to interview her:
"Unfortunately, I am not given permission to speak with anyone affiliated with the media until after I testify at the Cohen Commission.

"Please be aware, however, that past research on salmon leukemia, often termed plasmacytoid leukemia or marine anemia, had not actually identified a specific viral agent associated with this 'syndrome' (not considered a disease until a disease agent is discovered), hence it is very difficult to determine if the as yet unidentified virus associated with salmon leukemia [is] the same as that purported to associate with our genomic signature, but we are working on this. We have made some inroads, but I am sorry I cannot discuss these at the present time."
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Further to the link above, this quote might explain why the media wasn't permitted to interview her:
That makes perfect sense. Thanks for injecting some common sense into the discussion MannyP.
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