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Old Jul 27th, 2011, 10:53 AM   #31
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Since it seems no one here wants to discuss science, how about meta-science. Apart from the conservative apologists, who have already made it clear that it's perfectly okay for our government to muzzle it's scientists, and that keeping the public ignorant is just fine because taxpayers just pay for the research, they don't have the right to learn the findings, does anyone here think this is acceptable?
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Old Jul 27th, 2011, 11:30 AM   #32
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I can if I request it.
It would be a shame Manny but I'd understand it if you did.
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Old Jul 27th, 2011, 12:14 PM   #33
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does anyone here think this is acceptable?
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Old Jul 27th, 2011, 12:35 PM   #34
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Since it seems no one here wants to discuss science, how about meta-science. Apart from the conservative apologists, who have already made it clear that it's perfectly okay for our government to muzzle it's scientists, and that keeping the public ignorant is just fine because taxpayers just pay for the research, they don't have the right to learn the findings, does anyone here think this is acceptable?

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I stand corrected it's not limited to only a person's view of science by a movement's view of approved science.
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Old Jul 27th, 2011, 12:41 PM   #35
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The study is already available to the public and the scientist is an employee of the government. If scientists want to have free access to the media, they should fund the research themselves.
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Old Jul 27th, 2011, 12:46 PM   #36
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The study is already available to the public and the scientist is an employee of the government. If scientists want to have free access to the media, they should fund the research themselves.
OR....the government could be reasonable and let them give interviews..... you know, treat the population like adults?
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Old Jul 27th, 2011, 12:50 PM   #37
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OR....the government could be reasonable and let them give interviews..... you know, treat the population like adults?
They might grant the interviews, but they are not obliged to. It's the government's prerogative. Might be heavy handed policy but it isn't a national disaster either.
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Old Jul 27th, 2011, 01:05 PM   #38
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Might be heavy handed policy but it isn't a national disaster either.
I wouldn't suggest it's a national disaster, but it's more clear evidence that the Harper government is preventing the scientists we, as taxpayers, employ to provide guidance to the policy makers from telling us what they are discovering.

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If scientists want to have free access to the media, they should fund the research themselves.
The media is asking to interview the scientist, not the other way around. Our government is refusing to allow the media to access the scientists *you and I* pay to do research *for us*.

What possible reason could the government have for preventing publicly funded research being reported to the public? Perhaps I'm paranoid, but the only reason I can think of is that the findings of this research cast doubts on current or future government policy.

If we are to have a functional democracy, it has to be possible for citizens to access the information needed to make judgements about the policies and proposals of the politicians. Harper has made it very clear that he does not want us to have access to the information his government uses (or chooses to ignore) when deciding on policy issues.

I believe it was Machiavelli who argued that it is in the best interest of tyrants to keep the masses ignorant, because the ignorant are much easier to rule.
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Old Jul 27th, 2011, 01:15 PM   #39
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Just. F'ing. Brilliant.

When all else fails, let's turn the sucka into yet another pointless partisan political piece of crap thread...

I give up. Thx for nothing.
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Old Jul 27th, 2011, 01:18 PM   #40
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I wouldn't suggest it's a national disaster, but it's more clear evidence that the Harper government is preventing the scientists we, as taxpayers, employ to provide guidance to the policy makers from telling us what they are discovering.
They tell us that by publishing.


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The media is asking to interview the scientist, not the other way around. Our government is refusing to allow the media to access the scientists *you and I* pay to do research *for us*.
Right. The government is also hiring people I would never hire, and spending on programs that are anathema to me. The research is being released--it's just the editorializing they're trying to control. I ultimately believe it will likely not serve them well, but their media policies are about as generous as that of the private sector.
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