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Old Jun 19th, 2012, 06:44 PM   #5591
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You said #174:

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The Conservative Government could of, had they chosen to do so, have amended Section 47.1 to say that (a) no consultation is required... and (b) no votes are required to introduce or delete grains...
As if some prior legislation was somehow required.

and then you said:

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Federal Appeals Court justice has clearly stated the Law has not been adhered to...
Indicating the existing law had been broken and you agreed with the judgment and then you said this:

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So while Section 47.1 is in force it must be respected, if the language of Canadian Wheat Board Act returned to the language of yesteryear the Minister or the Governor in Council could make regulations and changes. How can changes be made through Parliament.
So if Section 47.1 did not exist or didn’t have provisions for consultation or votes before making inclusions or exclusions of grains then the would be fine. How could they have accomplished this feat? By way of amendment.
I was afraid there was a procedural arrangement that someone who works in the environs of the House of Commons would know about that we regular poster would not have access to.
Again indicating that section 47.1 had supremacy...

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The Minister is allowed to change grains if he consults and if producers vote in favour of the proposition. Failure to do so is illegal act.

If the Minister did not want to follow the law he could have changed the Law He could have introduced a Bill to legislate 47.1 out of existence. We have reviewed evidence that he knows how to successfully introduce legislation.

If the Minister wasn’t so lazy maybe he could see it through the process of being passed through Parliament signed by the Governor General and proclaimed in the Canada Gazette.

In conclusion we see Section 47.1 is amendable and the Section and the Canadian Wheat Board Act are indeed under the control of Parliament.

The Conservatives have played to their supporters and claim Section 47.1 "usurp the Supremacy of Parliament."

What any reasonable person should conclude is Section 47.1 is under the control of Parliament. She/he should also conclude that Section 47.1 is not under the sole control and power of the Minister or Our Glorious Leader and this most likely frustrates them and their supporters to great lengths.
So you are in no way vindicated in your beliefs as you believed section 47.1 was supreme and that only if certain actions occurred before the introduction of legislation could amending the Wheat Board Act be legal.

You can bend yourself into a pretzel trying to back track and explain your way out of your position but your own words make it clear. You believed that the Minister of Ag was in contravention of the Wheat Board Act because of section 47.1 and the most recent decision of the Federal Appeals Court disagrees with you and vindicates those that disagree with you and not you.

I understand how you might have lost your place and become confused because your argument was so convoluted in the first place... it probably isn't easy to keep track of your own reasoning.

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Old Jun 19th, 2012, 07:24 PM   #5592
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Thanks for the tour of the Twilight Zone, screature!
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Old Jun 20th, 2012, 01:46 AM   #5593
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[sarcasm] Jason Kenney, a real class act. [/sarcasm]

Kenney apologizes for slagging Alberta deputy premier

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Federal Immigration Minister Jason Kenney has apologized for his blunt assessment of Alberta Deputy Premier Thomas Lukaszuk after calling him "a complete and utter asshole" in an email that went to Kenney's Alberta caucus colleagues and their staff.

Kenney had earlier faced repeated questions in the House of Commons about the comments and refused to say he was sorry.
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The immigration minister said he's met recently with a number of provincial officials and that if anyone should apologize to Albertans, it's the NDP, who want oilsands companies to pay the full cost of development, including the environmental effects.

"I and this government have a phenomenal positive working relationship with the government of Alberta …we have a very strong relationship," Kenney said.

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Old Jun 20th, 2012, 02:31 AM   #5594
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Grow up people. This is an important issue to Canadians?
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Old Jun 20th, 2012, 06:30 AM   #5595
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Kenney merely reflected what many of us in Alberta have thought, ever since this guy came on the scene.
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Old Jun 20th, 2012, 09:35 AM   #5596
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Kenney merely reflected what many of us in Alberta have thought, ever since this guy came on the scene.
Now I see! It's OK for the politicos to be disrespectful of their comrades in crime but we have to pretend to respect them.
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Old Jun 20th, 2012, 10:06 AM   #5597
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Now I see! It's OK for the politicos to be disrespectful of their comrades in crime but we have to pretend to respect them.
You don't need to pretend to respect them, you have to act at a level above them.
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Now I see! It's OK for the politicos to be disrespectful of their comrades in crime but we have to pretend to respect them.
This guy lives here in our city and if you knew of some of his antics, you would label him with the same term.
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Old Jun 20th, 2012, 10:29 AM   #5599
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You don't need to pretend to respect them, you have to act at a level above them.
Since we are starting at a level a fair bit "Lower than a snakes belly in a wagon rut", that should not be too difficult.
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Maybe not a strict "Canadian political issue", but the taxpayer dollars come from somewhere. In 35 years teaching here at Memorial University, I don't think I have taken 18 sick days in all those years and I guess I am considered to be a public sector worker of sorts.

"A confidential government report obtained by CBC News reveals federal workers have been booking off sick in record numbers, costing Canadian taxpayers more than $1 billion a year in lost wages alone.

The internal Treasury Board report indicates federal public servants are staying home an average of 18 working days a year, or almost a full month off the job.

That is about 2˝ times the average rate of absenteeism in Canadian private industry, and almost twice the level of sick leave and disability claims in the rest of the public sector.

This apparent epidemic of bureaucratic no-shows means that on an average weekday, more federal public servants are off sick than there are employees at Ford Canada and General Motors combined.

Gregory Thomas, head of the Canadian Taxpayers' Federation, calls the situation "outrageous."

"We know the population isn't sick 18 days a year; it doesn't make sense.

"The government's got to start treating this money like it's their own money, and they've got to insist that if people are healthy, they come to work. And if people are sick, you've got to make sure they are sick.""

Public sector sick days cost $1 billion a year - Politics - CBC News
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