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Old May 4th, 2011, 11:13 AM   #41
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No way of knowing without looking at the books… but it's a start. The funny thing about balancing budgets is that it's usually the culmination of many smaller things that help bring about one big change.

What the government needs to learn is that when you control the small things, you won't need to rely on, for example, a big solution (stealing billions from your employees) to balance the books.
that sounds a little vague to me. I doubt cost savings at the department level is going to equal the billions and billions needed at all.

Something(s) far more more substantial is going to have to be cut.



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Old May 4th, 2011, 11:14 AM   #42
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No way of knowing without looking at the books… but it's a start. The funny thing about balancing budgets is that it's usually the culmination of many smaller things that help bring about one big change.

What the government needs to learn is that when you control the small things, you won't need to rely on, for example, a big solution (stealing billions from your employees) to balance the books.
Right On MannyP the mighty St. Lawrence or St. John rivers started off as drips of water off of leaves.
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Old May 4th, 2011, 11:57 AM   #43
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Yes, this happen everywhere including in business. The problem is how do you deal with it. Much like in the private sector this problem may always exist. This is because strategies created to deal with this has been less than 100% effective, as other problems crop up.

Indiscriminate slashing of budgets and employees are ineffective at dealing with the underlying issues. Such as the problem mentioned above, or over staffing as they hurt departments being ran efficiently or currently understaffed.
i agree. departments (in the private and public sector) look to spend whatever is left in their budget each year because they know if they don't then their budget will get slashed in the following year when they may actually need that money. a better system would be to reward departments who come in under budget, or at the very least not punish them for it by slashing their budget.

the idea that you can just indiscriminately cut 5-10% across the board and not see a drop in service is naive. i'm not saying there's no fat to be trimmed, but it's not as easy as saying "slash & burn!".

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Old May 4th, 2011, 11:57 AM   #44
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that sounds a little vague to me. I doubt cost savings at the department level is going to equal the billions and billions needed at all.

Something(s) far more more substantial is going to have to be cut.
Of course it's vague… I'm neither inclined, nor knowledgable enough to go into the minutia. It's not my job, nor my responsibility. I make sure I pay my bills on time and have enough money to live.

Look, the mindset has to change. If you don't fix the problems that led you to where you are in the first place, you'll just go in circles.
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Old May 4th, 2011, 12:02 PM   #45
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Right On! Dr.G. It's about time someone took on the Nannies of this country.

I glad you pointed out that Our Glorious Leader is focusing his spending on convicts and if some money falls off the table into the hands of the Private Sector praise be onto the Entrepreneur, so be it.

Money to feed Nanny's cat is such a waste. Cut em back till they really scream then give em enough to shut them up should be about right.
Well, some big bucks had better fall off of the table for the corporate tax cuts or there will be a day of reckoning comes Oct., 2015.

As for Nanny and the cats, better she get rid of the cats and use the cat food as a source of protein for herself. We don't want her getting sick and clogging up the health clinics.

Better still, let the clinics do what they do best, and set up private health clinics/spas/retreats for those who are able to pay for quality service. They might even make a profit??? We shall see.

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Old May 4th, 2011, 12:38 PM   #46
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What the government needs to learn is that when you control the small things, you won't need to rely on, for example, a big solution (stealing billions from your employees) to balance the books.
Actually, no. The elected officials are don't and shouldn't be micro-managing the public service, much like a board of directors doesn't manage the day to day operations of a firm. While they should try to implement strategies and procedures to cut waste, if our government spend all of its time focusing on the little things, it will miss the big things.

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that sounds a little vague to me. I doubt cost savings at the department level is going to equal the billions and billions needed at all.

Something(s) far more more substantial is going to have to be cut.
Yes, but increasing efficiencies of government couldn't be bad idea, i just wouldn't trust MP's to watch for inefficiencies.

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i agree. departments (in the private and public sector) look to spend whatever is left in their budget each year because they know if they don't then their budget will get slashed in the following year when they may actually need that money. a better system would be to reward departments who come in under budget, or at the very least non punish them for it by slashing their budget.

the idea that you can just indiscriminately cut 5-10% across the board and not see a drop in service is naive. i'm not saying there's no fat to be trimmed, but it's not as easy as saying "slash & burn!".
Yep, this is what I was talking about. Fat can be trimmed, but you don't need to use a machete to do it. With this said, i do think that there needs to be an ongoing restructuring of the departments to reduce some of the waste, and you don't even have to screw over the public service employees to do it either.

The only problem with the reward system is that you will have some managers over inflating their budget requests to get a reward. And if they scrimped and saved they may not get the same budget again next year.
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So were is the smaller government?
Where is the reform movement.....

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Tommy was correct.....same cats .....different stripes....
6 yr job $30k pension for life.....can I have one please....

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C'mon Harper - no excuses now - let's see cuts in pay since you have the nation deep in hole .....deficit cutting starts where the buck stops.



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Old May 4th, 2011, 02:19 PM   #48
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Where is the reform movement.....



Tommy was correct.....same cats .....different stripes....
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C'mon Harper - no excuses now - let's see cuts in pay since you have the nation deep in hole .....deficit cutting starts where the buck stops.

The quote you supplied is kind of Age-ist don't you think. What difference does it make whether he is 19 or 50? If he is doing the same job, probably back-benching, should he not get compensated the same as anyone else?

On a side note, putting down elected representative of parliament may not necessarily be a way to win over future employers, not to mention many other reasons for the level of compensation. It can't be expected that they would do it for free either? The problem I have is the rate at which pay increases are dolled out, it should be pegged to inflation.
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It's only been a day MacDoc. When you come back from your new home in Australia after a few months, you won't recognize the place.
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Of course it's vague… I'm neither inclined, nor knowledgable enough to go into the minutia. It's not my job, nor my responsibility. I make sure I pay my bills on time and have enough money to live.

Look, the mindset has to change. If you don't fix the problems that led you to where you are in the first place, you'll just go in circles.
I don't disagree with you.



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