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Old Dec 1st, 2013, 04:10 PM   #10991
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I think that speaks to the matter at hand very much.

PET displayed "largess" when he ordered that and it has been a sticky issue ever since.

No PM wants to be associated with "aggrandizing "/spending money on 24 Sussex since then.

His largess has translated into inadequate funding on maintaining/renovating the residence ever since, even when it is absolutely necessary.

It is a political hot potato of PET's creating that lingers to this day.
At least PET spent money on the place--beyond the pool, that is. From the timeline linked to the article screature posted, it seems like it had been neglected for roughly 20 years prior.

But I remember Brian and Mila Mulroney got into trouble for a similar issue... not a pool, however, redecorating and renovating.

And Paul Martin was chastised by Stephen Harper for complaining about his own personal comfort for suggesting they looking into what needs to be done to repair the official residences.

Really speaking, that it's stayed a political hot button is everyone's fault.
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Old Dec 1st, 2013, 04:15 PM   #10992
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The way I see the issue is that both the NCC and PWGSC (thanks for the info Macfury) share the blame for the current state of affairs at 24 Sussex, with the NCC as property managers, to be held accountable for the majority of the blame, at least legally.
In the private sector, it's not the property manager who is held accountable (legally speaking) but the owner.
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Old Dec 1st, 2013, 04:20 PM   #10993
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At least PET spent money on the place--beyond the pool, that is. From the timeline linked to the article screature posted, it seems like it had been neglected for roughly 20 years prior.
To be honest, PET's pool was paid for by "private donors" whom Trudeau would not reveal (because he claimed he did not know their names). Therefore, this expensive-to-maintain gift to the future was obtained by subterfuge and not on the public dime. Only its legacy maintenance costs affect the taxpayer.
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Old Dec 1st, 2013, 04:23 PM   #10994
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To be honest, PET's pool was paid for by "private donors" whom Trudeau would not reveal (because he claimed he did not know their names). Therefore, this expensive-to-maintain gift to the future was obtained by subterfuge and not on the public dime. Only its legacy maintenance costs affect the taxpayer.
From the sounds of things, it's not the pool that's in need of 10 million in repairs.
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Old Dec 1st, 2013, 04:27 PM   #10995
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Really do you know that? Clearly you don't and neither do the RCMP. That is why Runia is not under investigation.

Absence of evidence translates into innocence in our judicial system.

You may not like it, perhaps you are like PET lite and prefer the way things are done in China, but that is not the way things are done here.
Yes they do in fact. It was all in every news media across the country. In the very news quotes you provided. Be my guest, and write them all that they're wrong. As for innocence because of a lack of evidence, a few things. First of all, this investigation is far from over. Secondly, I didn't suggest that a criminal act has been committed, rather, I, and it seems many have questions regarding what the hell was going on there. And it seems not having answers is causing people, and rightly so, to wonder why. And this, is the very thing you don't seem to understand. And neither Harper, clearly.

The problem as I see it here screature is that you seem to be confusing things here. The RCMP is conducting a criminal investigation. If they find things during their investigation, they may not be criminal acts, but they shed light on some of the goings ons that occurred during this alleged coverup. It's not just one piece, but it seems there are quite a few items along the way that has changed this story from it being originally, a 'much ado about nothing'. It was only Nigel Wright we were told, and he resigned. Right. Well the story has changed quite bait since then hasn't it!

By your standards, the liberal party during adscam should have been able to walk away unscathed since none of the MPs or PM had any evidence (or were charged) they were involved in bilking the money.

But that wasn't the case, now was it!



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Old Dec 1st, 2013, 04:37 PM   #10996
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Old Dec 1st, 2013, 04:38 PM   #10997
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In the private sector, it's not the property manager who is held accountable (legally speaking) but the owner.
Yes. The buck stops at the owner. As to who you go after when work isn't done properly, it's who you contracted to do the work, the subs are the contractors responsibility.

That's how it works in any business scenario that I'm aware of, whether I do work for private, or government.



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Listen to those tom-toms beating!
Posting opinion is fine, but insinuating inside knowledge of an RCMP investigation is pure BS. He knows nothing and neither do the general public or the media until the RCMP release it and so far, they have found nothing regarding the PM, and that's all they have told the media.
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Ha ha. I'm not sure a convicted criminal's opinion is exactly what you want supporting you, but LOL.



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Yes. The buck stops at the owner.
But in construction "owner" has a very specific meaning.
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