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Old Dec 1st, 2013, 10:14 AM   #10961
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An interesting read. Just curious how others here feel about 24 Sussex. Do you really care that it is a heritage building and so it should be renovated at the cost of at least $10M or would it be better to just build an entirely new residence on the property?
By my rough estimate, tearing it down and rebuilding isn't going to be a lot cheaper... I assume the Prime Minister's house should be a high quality build.

If you build it in the incredibly cheap way housing is built today, sure, you could shave off a bit more, but you're setting yourself up for problems down the road--and you imagine the outcry, we spend X number of dollars building this place just a few years ago, why do we need to spend more now? Older buildings do require maintenance, and regular upgrading, but their basic structure is often much more soundly built than new.

Someone mentioned preserving the facade and rebuilding the interior. Not really cheaper. In fact, often more expensive--melding two different methods of building can be structurally challenging. You may as well renovate. (And, by the sounds of the article, re-building the entire interior doesn't sound like it's justified.)

The bigger concern in my mind is how did they let it get so bad in the first place? Why wasn't money spent regularly repairing and upgraded the place? The problems described for the most part sounds like decades of deferred maintenance. I see almost all of the same issues in neglected apartment buildings. Nothing described in the article sounds like it justifies a teardown--that's all normal maintenance that should have been down all along.

Most of the problems described are water and plumbing related--leaks that have long gone unnoticed and unrepaired, and therefore created rot and mould. Then it sounds like the electrical and HVAC systems are in need of an upgrade, and probably some new insulation while you are at it. None of that is so difficult to do--I've done much of the same--though yes, it will cost money. Most of this would be much cheaper overall if money had been spent properly upgrading the place all along.

If it's as bad as this, the lack of care has to have been going on for at least 20 years, if 30, 40 or 50 years.

Honestly, I wonder about the optics of not spending on maintenance vs the optics of being pennywise and pound-foolish.
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Old Dec 1st, 2013, 10:27 AM   #10962
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The bigger concern in my mind is how did they let it get so bad in the first place? Why wasn't money spent regularly repairing and upgraded the place? The problems described for the most part sounds like decades of deferred maintenance. I see almost all of the same issues in neglected apartment buildings. Nothing described in the article sounds like it justifies a teardown--that's all normal maintenance that should have been down all along.
This is all part of the grotesque failure of Public Works Canada (now PWAGSC) mismanaging every one of the buildings in Ottawa's historic portfolio for decades. The jobs they've done often cost three times what they should and drain the budget.
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Old Dec 1st, 2013, 10:28 AM   #10963
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I was just talking to a neighbor who is a classic old-time Conservative. He has voted for the Conservatives since his first vote for "Dief, the Chief, way back when" (his words). He is outraged over this Senate scandal and how PM Harper is dealing with it. He is a regular contributor to the Conservative Party, but said "Not any more." He said that the suggestion of using party contributed funds to pay for Duffy's penalty was, in fact, using taxpayer's money since he received a tax deduction for that contribution. I never considered that point. Interesting.

Still, if PM Harper loses the support of Ron, then he is not going to see this situation just disappear. We shall see.
nail on the head. I keep hearing, 'there was no cheque'. Completely ignoring that the RCMP discovered that there absolutely would have been a cheque from conservative donations to coverup Duffy, if the amount was 32k. I hadn't thought of the tax deductible thing. Good point!



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Old Dec 1st, 2013, 10:28 AM   #10964
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Old Dec 1st, 2013, 10:50 AM   #10965
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Old Dec 1st, 2013, 11:03 AM   #10966
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nail on the head. I keep hearing, 'there was no cheque'. Completely ignoring that the RCMP discovered that there absolutely would have been a cheque from conservative donations to coverup Duffy, if the amount was 32k. I hadn't thought of the tax deductible thing. Good point!
Well, it was not my point, gt. Ron pointed out that his contributions each year to the Conservative Party is a tax deduction for him. Thus, Revenue Canada gets less revenue. If those funds were used to pay for Duffy's expense claims, then tax-deductible funds would have been used. Ron also speculated as to whether Wright could write off some of the "loan" to Duffy, or is Duffy was charged interest??? The main problem for PM Harper is losing the support of someone like Ron, especially if it is outside of NL. We shall see.

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Old Dec 1st, 2013, 11:09 AM   #10967
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Well, it was not my point, gt. Ron pointed out that his contributions each year to the Conservative Party is a tax deduction for him. Thus, Revenue Canada gets less revenue. If those funds were used to pay for Duffy's expense claims, then tax-deductible funds would have been used. Ron also speculated as to whether Wright could write off some of the "loan" to Duffy, or is Duffy was charged interest??? The main problem for PM Harper is losing the support of someone like Ron, especially if it is outside of NL. We shall see.

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I'm confused here, that's what I was referring to. His donation being tax deductible, and in turn, being used to pay Duffy's improper expenses.

I was just saying that I keep hearing people say, 'there was no cheque, case closed'. But the disturbing thing is, as your friend is saying, there would have been if the amount was 32k, and yes his donations to that money is tax deductible.

In any case, it seems this whole thing is far from over, as the investigation is still ongoing.



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nail on the head. I keep hearing, 'there was no cheque'. Completely ignoring that the RCMP discovered that there absolutely would have been a cheque from conservative donations to coverup Duffy, if the amount was 32k. I hadn't thought of the tax deductible thing. Good point!
Would you mind explaining how you "hear" people typing here? Try as I may, I cannot.
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Old Dec 1st, 2013, 11:17 AM   #10969
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I'm confused here, that's what I was referring to. His donation being tax deductible, and in turn, being used to pay Duffy's improper expenses.

I was just saying that I keep hearing people say, 'there was no cheque, case closed'. But the disturbing thing is, as your friend is saying, there would have been if the amount was 32k, and yes his donations to that money is tax deductible.

In any case, it seems this whole thing is far from over, as the investigation is still ongoing.
No, I was saying that it was not my idea, but rather Ron's idea. I had not thought of it. Personally, either way I think that it was improper/wrong/a criminal offense maybe. Yes, it is far from over. When the Senate committee did not want to hear from the Delloite accountant who dealt with this account, it only kept the issue on the front burner. The "case closed" issue can't be used since everyone from the PM down the line keeps using the statement "I can't respond in that it is being investigated by the RCMP".

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Ah, I see. Perhaps I need another coffee.



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