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Old Oct 12th, 2011, 04:09 PM   #1001
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Except for the fact that the vast majority of Canadians want green energy, as opposed to the tiny minority that want to see more pot smokers incarcerated.
I really am not sure how the Chicken Little Crowd defines Green Energy.

Seems that wind turbines are OK though they kill more birds and bats than do the Alberta Oilsands.

Solar is OK despite the poisoning of workers, and poisoning the groundwater around the plants in China.

CFBs are OK though no plan is in place to fully recover Mercury, Phosphorous and other dangerous materials they contain. Also need to give the poisoned workers and groundwater in China an encore mention.

Nuclear is now good, even though all the original problems with disposal of spent fuel rods still exist.

To me it is overwhelmingly clear that all aspects need to be reviewed before blessing anything with a "Green" label. Like it or not CO2 is still non-toxic, unlike many of the things we are doing to reduce it. Subsidizing green energy that fails to meet non-CO2 green criteria is doing Canadians no favours at all.
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Old Oct 12th, 2011, 04:30 PM   #1002
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Seems that wind turbines are OK though they kill more birds and bats than do the Alberta Oilsands.

Solar is OK despite the poisoning of workers, and poisoning the groundwater around the plants in China.

CFBs are OK though no plan is in place to fully recover Mercury, Phosphorous and other dangerous materials they contain. Also need to give the poisoned workers and groundwater in China an encore mention.

Nuclear is now good, even though all the original problems with disposal of spent fuel rods still exist.
All of these are valid points, and worthy of serious study and discussion (even if some turn out not to be true). They are also significant inhibitions to investment by the private sector, which is why government subsidies and research investments are worth considering for these technologies. Given the thermodynamically incontrovertible fact that fossil fuels cannot be used indefinitely, converting our economy to function on renewable 'green' energy is a necessity. We can pay now or pay more later.
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Old Oct 12th, 2011, 04:44 PM   #1003
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Great news!
perhaps, except the Harper government has reversed the trend towards relaxed possession charges, resulting a a very sharp rise in criminal charges and criminal records, with his being the most serious offence the majority of those charged.

Harper suggests the relaxing of possession laws will lead to drugs being more available to kids. When really, this is totally false, and all this does is waste an incredible amount of taxpayers money, and drive up profits for dealers.



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Old Oct 12th, 2011, 04:46 PM   #1004
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All of these are valid points, and worthy of serious study and discussion (even if some turn out not to be true). They are also significant inhibitions to investment by the private sector, which is why government subsidies and research investments are worth considering for these technologies. Given the thermodynamically incontrovertible fact that fossil fuels cannot be used indefinitely, converting our economy to function on renewable 'green' energy is a necessity. We can pay now or pay more later.
This is based on all sorts of unfounded assumptions. There's no guarantee that investing in these technologies now will be a money save--particularly if they fail to be economically viable. The fact that they are economically unsustainable is no reason subsidize these technologies. Likewise we have little proof that we cannot run the world's economies on fossil fuels for centuries.
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Old Oct 12th, 2011, 04:53 PM   #1005
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Not accurate. It has to be proven to the judge that the possession of the plants was for the purposes of trafficking. If the judge decides it was not for trafficking the minimum sentence does not apply. The judiciary still has discriminatory powers in deciding if trafficking was taking place.

Makes me wonder if Mr. Boyd has even read the Bill closely or is he just going off of off here say.
Except that to prove "trafficking" in canadian law all that has to be shown is :

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... to sell, administer, give, transfer, transport, send or deliver the (controlled) substance, (or) to sell an authorization to obtain the substance ...
so someone growing plants, and gives some weed to his friend...is guilty of trafficking.
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Old Oct 12th, 2011, 05:52 PM   #1006
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Except that to prove "trafficking" in canadian law all that has to be shown is :

so someone growing plants, and gives some weed to his friend...is guilty of trafficking.
And that is a likely reason/scenario for a judge to impose a trafficking sentence...? I mean seriously.

Judges are smart people who continually interpret laws and do not adhere to them verbatim...

Even if you don't "trust" the legislators at least give some credit to the judiciary to rule against the legislators... Insite ruling par example...

I for one am a fiscal conservative and a social liberal who disagrees with the prohibition on marijuana aspect of C-10. However, albeit too strident in my view, it allows for judicial interpretation and therefore the minimum sentence is still up to a judge to decide if it is to be applied.

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Old Oct 12th, 2011, 08:25 PM   #1007
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. ...Pick your money-wasting poison...
I shall pick Conservatives wasting millions on re-enventing the myth of the Canada's "War of 1812."

28 Million being spent on 1812 Anniversary
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Old Oct 12th, 2011, 08:33 PM   #1008
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And that is a likely reason/scenario for a judge to impose a trafficking sentence...? I mean seriously.

Judges are smart people who continually interpret laws and do not adhere to them verbatim...

Even if you don't "trust" the legislators at least give some credit to the judiciary to rule against the legislators... Insite ruling par example...

I for one am a fiscal conservative and a social liberal who disagrees with the prohibition on marijuana aspect of C-10. However, albeit too strident in my view, it allows for judicial interpretation and therefore the minimum sentence is still up to a judge to decide if it is to be applied.
So you support "Activist Judges" and thwarting of the will of the majority of duly elected representatives to Parliament?
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Old Oct 12th, 2011, 08:35 PM   #1009
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I shall pick Conservatives wasting millions on re-enventing the myth of the Canada's "War of 1812."

28 Million being spent on 1812 Anniversary
Days after howling that we're wasting money on party subsidies.

This, is a governmet that just loves... To spend, spend, spend.



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Old Oct 12th, 2011, 08:37 PM   #1010
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Days after howling that we're wasting money on party subsidies.

This, is a governmet that just loves... To spend, spend, spend.
Nonsense, it would be at least double that on the Liberal's watch. That's why they're gone. We're saving money.
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