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Old Feb 29th, 2012, 03:34 PM   #81
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Japan defence chief 'may cancel' F-35 deal

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Japan's defence chief said Wednesday the country may cancel its $4.7 billion order for the US-built F-35 stealth jet if Washington fails to stick to the proposed price and deadlines.

Defence Minister Naoki Tanaka said a formal contract for the initial four units which Japan wants by March 2017, out of a total of 42 jets, was expected to be signed before this summer.
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With a price tag of around $113 million per jet, the F-35 is the most expensive weapons programme in Pentagon history and has been plagued by cost overruns and technical delays.
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Old Feb 29th, 2012, 03:52 PM   #82
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So???? They will have Canada, as part of our SEATO agreement, to come to their defense should North Korea attack them. Still, as they say "It's only money".

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Old Mar 5th, 2012, 07:36 PM   #83
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The F35 continues to impress... well... sorta...

So it seems the F35 finally passed some of the performance tests the program has been delaying. Well for very low values of "passed." It seems the F-35 only passes tests when the tests are rigged.
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Old Mar 5th, 2012, 09:28 PM   #84
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From the article linked above:

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it’s not unknown for capability standards, also known as “Key Performance Parameters,” to shift during a weapon’s development. But the shifts usually reflect the evolving needs of the military or some change in the operational environment, such as a likely enemy tweaking its own defense plans. In this case, the JROC gave the F-35 a pass that was apparently designed so the over-weight, over-budget, long-delayed stealth fighter could avoid yet another embarrassing scandal.

Citing earlier efforts to boost the Joint Strike Fighter’s image, defense analyst Winslow Wheeler accused the Pentagon of “putting lipstick on the pig.”
Continuing down the F-35 path appears to be a huge mistake...
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Old Mar 13th, 2012, 05:56 PM   #86
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Miracle of miracles - there may well be hope yet....

"Realistic" Fantino raises possibility of abandoning F-35 jet purchase



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The point man on the F-35 stealth fighter purchase says the Conservative government has not ruled out abandoning the troubled project.

“We have not, as yet, discounted the possibility, of course, of backing out of any of the program,” Associate Defence Minister Julian Fantino told a Commons committee Tuesday.
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“And we'll just have to think it through as time goes on.”

His comments represent a further departure from the strident defence the Harper government has offered for the costly, long-delayed program.
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I didn't specify whether the money has gone out the door, or whether the government has announced IT WOULD spend the money. I'm not sure why you need to make this distinction sinc.

Perhaps the only explanation is that you find it incredulous that they would spend it.

Unless we'll be surprised that the cons suddenly say, no, we won't buy any fighter jets like we said we would, and we're going to trash the big crime bill we just passed so it won't cost us a lot of money as a result.

Do you know if that's going to happen? I haven't heard anything of the sort.
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Old Mar 13th, 2012, 07:31 PM   #88
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Fantino later commented that the government was "committed" to the program, so take his earlier quote with a grain of salt.

While it's nice to hope that the conservatives can act reasonably, they have certainly exhibited that they have no problem chucking reason out the window. Until they outright say we won't be buying the f-35 it's safe to assume we are.
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F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Problems Delay Production, Training - Investors.com

An interesting comparison.
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It would be nice if they scrapped the purchase and had a competition, but it's unlikely.

Fantino's comments were more likely to pressure Lockheed....

Sadly they will probably end up buying fewer aircraft and the eventual realized price
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