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Old Dec 3rd, 2011, 11:32 AM   #51
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Great plan. Let our air force use 40-year-old plus aircraft on patrol when our northern borders are being called into question. Sure. Yup.
your sarcasm would have at least -some- credibility if these new jets were even useful for the purpose you pointed to. Apparently, not so much.



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Old Dec 3rd, 2011, 11:36 AM   #52
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Great plan. Let our air force use 40-year-old plus aircraft on patrol when our northern borders are being called into question. Sure. Yup.
Ya, cause there is nothing else capable of patrolling our borders, for sale out there.

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Old Dec 3rd, 2011, 05:20 PM   #53
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I think the main question is, Can an F35 land at a fishing camp?
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Old Dec 3rd, 2011, 05:45 PM   #54
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Perhaps it's the Norwegians...



Norway urges Canada to buy F-35s
Actually you might want to edit your post to "Perhaps it's the NorwegiaN.... as in singular, not plural. There is a huge controversy in that country about the F-35 in that country (as there should be, and as the article points out) and it's not quite a done deal there either. But one thing I have to give credit to the Norwegian Government for is at least they're being HONEST in forecasting the cost to the people of the country. Both Canada & Norway are supposed to buy the same model of F-35....The Harper Government is saying 65 planes will cost $16 Billion, and Norway is saying 52 planes will cost $40 Billion.

But you should keep buying Harper's fudged math and be happy......

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Great plan. Let our air force use 40-year-old plus aircraft on patrol when our northern borders are being called into question. Sure. Yup.
Or we could buy Super Hornets for less than 1/3 of the cost and have a plane with twin engines that can actually fly in cold weather.

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I think the main question is, Can an F35 land at a fishing camp?
Only if that fishing camp is in the middle east. That's where the F-35 is designed to fly.
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Old Dec 4th, 2011, 10:40 AM   #55
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But you should keep buying Harper's fudged math and be happy......
Any special reason you'd direct that at me? I don't believe I've let my views known in this or any other thread?

Reality is, that I'd support a purchase of F/A 18 Es and Ds for the interim and F35s if and when there's any money left provided all the issues have been resolved and costed out. I'm also in favour of nuclear submarines and better Arctic patrolling using the appropriate equipment. I am not in favour of Nato missions which drain resources already lacking or which are needed in more important areas.
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Old Dec 4th, 2011, 11:24 AM   #56
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Reality is, that I'd support a purchase of F/A 18 Es and Ds for the interim and F35s if and when there's any money left provided all the issues have been resolved and costed out. I'm also in favour of nuclear submarines and better Arctic patrolling using the appropriate equipment. I am not in favour of Nato missions which drain resources already lacking or which are needed in more important areas.
Can't find a thing to disagree with here...
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Old Dec 4th, 2011, 11:27 AM   #57
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Any special reason you'd direct that at me? I don't believe I've let my views known in this or any other thread?

Reality is, that I'd support a purchase of F/A 18 Es and Ds for the interim and F35s if and when there's any money left provided all the issues have been resolved and costed out. I'm also in favour of nuclear submarines and better Arctic patrolling using the appropriate equipment. I am not in favour of Nato missions which drain resources already lacking or which are needed in more important areas.
I share your views. Sadly I believe King Harpo will happily follow wherever BO aka Bush III leadeth.

One can only hope he does not share the contempt of the Constitution and Bill of Rights recently shown by the entire US Congress.
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Old Dec 5th, 2011, 02:57 PM   #58
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Reality is, that I'd support a purchase of F/A 18 Es and Ds for the interim and F35s if and when there's any money left provided all the issues have been resolved and costed out.
I think you mean F/A 18 Es and Fs. Boeing made their last F/A 18 Hornet D in 2000. I don't think they manufacture the Hornet anymore. Instead they make the Super Hornet, which is bigger and better.

I see India had an interesting competition as well and compared 6 planes:
Indian MRCA competition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Could you imagine Canada flying MiG-35s?
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The F-35 is looking more and more like one great, big turkey.

Trillion-Dollar Jet Has Thirteen Expensive New Flaws

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The most expensive weapons program in U.S. history is about to get a lot pricier.

The F-35 Joint Strike Fighter, meant to replace nearly every tactical warplane in the Air Force, Navy and Marine Corps, was already expected to cost $1 trillion dollars for development, production and maintenance over the next 50 years. Now that cost is expected to grow, owing to 13 different design flaws uncovered in the last two months by a hush-hush panel of five Pentagon experts. It could cost up to a billion dollars to fix the flaws on copies of the jet already in production, to say nothing of those yet to come.

In addition to costing more, the stealthy F-35 could take longer to complete testing. That could delay the stealthy jet’s combat debut to sometime after 2018 — seven years later than originally planned.
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In the dictionary, beside the word "joke" is the political biography of Defense Minister Faustino...

F-35: Canada's Air Commander Contradicts Julian Fantino On Moving Jet Training Home

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Canadian fighter pilots will be training on the F-35 jet in Florida for almost a decade and the military will have to study how to set up a similar program at home, says the country's top air commander.

The comments by Lt.-Gen. Andre Deschamps stand in contrast to the iron-clad assurances Julian Fantino, Prime Minister Stephen Harper's associate defence minister, gave the House of Commons last month when it was first revealed stealth fighter instruction would take place in the U.S.
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...he dismissed NDP questions about the training program.

"The member should know that in order to get traction (on a story), he should have his facts straight," Fantino told New Democrat defence critic David Christopherson.

"Long-term training on the F-35s will take place in Canada, just as currently is done with the CF-18s. It is reasonable that Canadians will do initial training with those from whom we purchase the aircraft, which has always been the case."

In fact, air force internal documents also contradict his assurances and state there is the "potential for NO pilot training in Canada," and suggest that a "pooled" training system with international partners is likely the most cost-effective plan.

Indeed, that is how the U.S. manufacturer, Lockheed Martin, sees instruction unfolding and it has poured millions of dollars into a state-of-the-art centre at Eglin Air Force Base.
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