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Old Oct 24th, 2011, 08:52 AM   #31
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It's amazing how conservatives and libertarians can come up with all kinds of ways to waste insane amounts of tax dollars.



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Old Oct 24th, 2011, 09:12 AM   #32
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Adrian: a couple fighters? Seriously? One, at any given time one or both would be stuck in the hanger, in for repairs. Two, fast flyovers to do what - wave to the people down below? Drop flowers and get well cards?

I think we need modern jet fighters in significant numbers to patrol our own airspace, especially in our Arctic waters now that the world is waking up to the energy and shipping opportunities opening up well north of the tree line. That said, we should have maintained our own industry to design, build and maintain the things. It's bad to be dependent on other countries for making your own defence gear. But since we let that go down the tubes a long time ago, the next best thing would be to have a program which ensures that what fighter jets we do procure can properly operate in our climate. It's just ludicrous that this is happening. It's shaping up to be another epic federal boondoggle.
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Old Oct 24th, 2011, 10:03 AM   #33
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It's just ludicrous that this is happening. It's shaping up to be another epic federal boondoggle.
Yep... it's like watching a train-wreck in slow motion. But the motive force here is ideology, not inertia. Not that the devastation will be any less.
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Old Oct 25th, 2011, 10:12 AM   #34
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Old Oct 25th, 2011, 10:23 AM   #35
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Adrian: a couple fighters? Seriously? One, at any given time one or both would be stuck in the hanger, in for repairs. Two, fast flyovers to do what - wave to the people down below? Drop flowers and get well cards?

I think we need modern jet fighters in significant numbers to patrol our own airspace, especially in our Arctic waters now that the world is waking up to the energy and shipping opportunities opening up well north of the tree line. That said, we should have maintained our own industry to design, build and maintain the things. It's bad to be dependent on other countries for making your own defence gear. But since we let that go down the tubes a long time ago, the next best thing would be to have a program which ensures that what fighter jets we do procure can properly operate in our climate. It's just ludicrous that this is happening. It's shaping up to be another epic federal boondoggle.
Agreed - we definitely need something. Whether that something is the F35, or another aircraft remains to be seen.
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Old Oct 25th, 2011, 03:34 PM   #36
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Get some helicopters to do some s&r, research and patrol. Maybe a couple fighters to do some fast fly overs.
Helicopters are short range aircraft, not long range patrol aircraft. We need long range patrol aircraft. We also really need a full fledged airbase further north than CFB Cold Lake.

As well helicopters are not fast fighter aircraft. We need something that can handle peacekeeping as well which involves, patrolling no-fly zones, escorting jet bombers, something that can handle a dog-fight, something that can lauch air-to-air missiles and air-to-land missiles.

You may also want to remember that we do have new helicopters, the new Cormorants, that started in service in 2002, for search and rescue.
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We also have perfectly good twin engine fighters currently....

This a boondoggle by Harpo catering to corporate interests.....just what Eisenhower warned about in the US

Close libraries in Toronto but spend 375 million per plane.....

what a ****ed up place.



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Mixing levels of government though, MacDoc. Toronto's recent problems are a municipal thing. Fighter jets for Canada is a federal thing.

Aren't our current jets long in the tooth by now?
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That said, we should have maintained our own industry to design, build and maintain the things. It's bad to be dependent on other countries for making your own defence gear. But since we let that go down the tubes a long time ago, the next best thing would be to have a program which ensures that what fighter jets we do procure can properly operate in our climate. It's just ludicrous that this is happening. It's shaping up to be another epic federal boondoggle.
Agreed. It all went downhill after the Arrow.
edit: Although our aircraft industry has recovered some, it seems to be mostly in consumer aircraft and creating stuff for US military aircraft.

Actually what Canada should have done is had it's own competition to have someone design a aircraft for our needs and produce it in Canada. I don't care if a Canadian, American, British, or French company won it, as long as the competition was open to Canadian companies, the jets are built in Canada, and the cost is 1/2 to 3/4 of the F-35.
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We also have perfectly good twin engine fighters currently....

This a boondoggle by Harpo catering to corporate interests.....just what Eisenhower warned about in the US
No we don't. The Hornets we have are 25-30 years old. As well, i'm sure the government doesn't replace any that have crashed. Time to look at something new, because by the time we get them, our Hornets will be 35-45 years old.

We can give the hornets over to the Snowbirds. I'm sure they would appreciate something "newer".
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