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Old Feb 22nd, 2011, 12:09 PM   #61
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So, in 1989 NOAA indicated that “U.S. data show no sign of warming trend”.

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The warming began right after Hansen’s 1988 appearance in Congress. Since then it’s been warming for 120 years.
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'Bout right...

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Old Feb 22nd, 2011, 12:37 PM   #62
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So, in 1989 NOAA indicated that “U.S. data show no sign of warming trend”.

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Lemme see if I can portray this correctly...

Ivory tower, looking down the nose, gruff sounding, harrumphing away:

'Bout right...

Yep, that'll do.
At least it explains why GW Alarmists have to fudge or disappear historical data.
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Old Feb 24th, 2011, 02:03 PM   #63
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Models, models, models.

Have 4 more analyses of scientific papers regarding the accuracy of climate models, done by the NIPCC.

Without getting into the details, I'll provide a summary statement from each.

The first is on the modeling of global soil wetness:

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In consequence of what "those in the know" thus describe as large errors and tremendous variations in what they readily characterize as vital, critical, definitive and key elements of state-of-the-art land surface model simulations of soil wetness (which is a pretty basic parameter), it would appear that little faith should be placed in what they portend about the future.
The second speaks to simulating 21st century precipitation:

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With respect to what their results imply, the two researchers say that "current climate models cannot reliably predict changes in tropical precipitation extremes," noting that "inaccurate simulation of the upward velocities may explain not only the intermodal scatter in changes in tropical precipitation extremes but also the inability of models to reproduce observed interannual variability."
The third compares IPCC sims vs real world observations of soil moisture trends:

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Given these findings, the climate models employed in the IPCC's Fourth Assessment are clearly deficient in their ability to correctly simulate soil moisture trends, even when applied to the past and when driven by observed climate forcings. In other words, they fail the most basic type of test imaginable; and in the words of Li et al., this finding suggests that "global climate models should better integrate the biological, chemical, and physical components of the earth system." Here's hoping that the models used in the upcoming Fifth Assessment have improved.
The fourth addresses models predicting Arctic vs Global temperature change which perform well for one period of time but not another.

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These findings constitute another important example of the principle described (and proven to be correct) by Reifen and Toumi (2009), i.e., that a model that performs well in one time period will not necessarily perform well in another time period. And this now-incontrovertible fact further suggests that since AOGCMs suffer from this shortcoming, they ought not be considered adequate justification for imposing dramatic cuts in anthropogenic CO2 emissions, as their simulations of future temperature trends may well be far different from what will actually transpire.
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Old Feb 24th, 2011, 02:29 PM   #64
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This bit of news, from the Southland Times:

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Once again news reaches us from the far North of that mysterious silent sea which lies round the Arctic pole, and into which no vessel has ever yet made her way.
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Off Cape Constitution, in latitude 82 deg. 27 min. N (519 miles from the pole)... a vast expanse of ocean...none other than that open Polar Sea of which glimpses had been caught by Barentz and Wrangel, by Penny and Inglefield
And this one from the Nelson Examiner and New Zealand Chronicle:

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In 1607, Hudson sailed northwards as far as latitude 81-1/2 degrees, on the open sea between Greenland and Spitzbergen; and, before his time, Cabot had penetrated so far north on the same track, in the search for a north-western passage, that he formed the design of making a journey to the North Pole...It is a singular fact that, in whatever direction the North Pole has been approached, traces should always have been noticed of a comparatively warm circumpolar sea...In the year 1818, again, Barrington & Beaufay called the attention of scientific men to the evidence of Dutch captains who asserted that they had approached within two or three degrees of the Pole, that they had there found an open sea, which was heaved by a swell that showed it to be of wide extent.
Date the first? 1873.

Date the second? 1869.

Natural. Cycles.
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Old Feb 24th, 2011, 02:33 PM   #65
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YESSSSS!

Wednesday, February 23, 2011

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The Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature Study has been organized under the auspices of the non‐profit Novim Group (Science Discourse - Home). The project has the following goals:

1) To merge existing surface station temperature data sets into a new comprehensive raw data set with a common format that could be used for weather and climate research
2) To review existing temperature processing algorithms for averaging, homogenization, and error analysis to understand both their advantages and their limitations
3) To develop new approaches and alternative statistical methods that may be able to effectively remove some of the limitations present in existing algorithms
4) To create and publish a new global surface temperature record and associated uncertainty analysis
5) To provide an open platform for further analysis by publishing our complete data and software code as well as tools to aid both professional and amateur exploration of the data.
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Old Feb 24th, 2011, 03:41 PM   #66
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English translation. "We have not yet come up with an accurate way to take the planets temperature." This being the first tiny step.
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Old Feb 24th, 2011, 04:00 PM   #67
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Old Feb 24th, 2011, 08:49 PM   #69
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Recent survey says 80% of Canadians believe the science behind climate change.

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Old Feb 24th, 2011, 09:02 PM   #70
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Recent survey says 80% of Canadians believe the science behind climate change.

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Your Tapatalking Dixie there, bud.

The survey merely asked Canadians whether "there was solid evidence of global warming." It did not ask them how much the world was warming, etc. It also showed that many of the respondents who thought the world was warming, also thought it was naturally caused.

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From what you’ve read and heard, is there solid evidence that the average
temperature on earth has been getting warmer over the past four decades?

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