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Old May 6th, 2010, 10:22 PM   #21
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That indicates to me that 1.125/ gb is the price wholesalers will pay, not the public. Is this a correct interpretation?
Whatever the wholesaler pays will be passed onward to a customer. That's how the bills are paid...
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Old May 6th, 2010, 10:34 PM   #22
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With a mark up I would expect.
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Old May 7th, 2010, 06:51 AM   #23
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How is a movie a day a big deal? Most ppl watch more than two hours a day of programming. Factor in multiple users per household and it is easy to use 60 gigs legally.
I agree, but watching a movie versus a tv program just seems different. You don't (well I don't) follow a tv program the same as I would a movie, and I can't picture investing that time every single day. Of course, I don't speak for everyone.

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Many ppl have cancelled their tv services with Bell, Rogers and the other players. They are buying their programming on line legally. I'm sure that this is a cause of frustration for Rogers and Bell. Both have vested interests in keeping the current model.
Agree as well, these are new alternatives. I just don't think these numbers represent a large population that would set the fear into the Telecom companies. I am sure they are keeping an eye on things and blocking things via the court room as they can but I don't think they have taken the fight to the street yet.

I really would like to see the CRTC taken out of the telecoms pockets all together, we are getting gouged on everything from TV, internet, wireless services. I just think the wrong battles are fought.
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Old May 8th, 2010, 02:38 PM   #24
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That indicates to me that 1.125/ gb is the price wholesalers will pay, not the public. Is this a correct interpretation?
The amazing thing is that the GAS wholesalers already pay for that bandwidth their customers use. They lease dedicated Gig-E links for back haul to their network and out to the internet.

Now Bell tricks the CRTC into letting them charge twice for this because of the "bandwidth hogs" that von Finckenstein (of course he also brought us NAFTA) fell for.

Not to mention that bandwidth follow Moore's law and costs drop by half every 18 months.
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Old May 8th, 2010, 02:47 PM   #25
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Not to mention that bandwidth follow Moore's law and costs drop by half every 18 months.
Exactly. The whole notion of treating bandwidth as a scarce resource is also preposterous.
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Old May 8th, 2010, 04:52 PM   #26
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It's like going to the gas station and...
Not quite. Imagine going to the gas station where the price is posted at $105.9 per litre and saying "I'll pay you $50 for a tank of gas, and I won't tell you whether I have a 50 l tank or a 200 l tank. If you don't take my offer for 200 l worth I'm gonna complain bitterly"

We like unlimited GB access at a flat price because we can abuse it, and we (the heavy users) are subsidized by my Dad who uses only 2 GB a month but pays the same amount on the monthly plan.

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They are buying their programming on line legally.
How is it that we can complain that when we watch TV shows or buy six movies a week it costs money to transport them to us? If we had the movie DVDs each delivered to us by courier or mail (or paid the gas to pick them up ourselves) it would cost, right?

Ya wants the goods, ya pays the freight. The free ride is ending.

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Exactly. The whole notion of treating bandwidth as a scarce resource is also preposterous.
As opposed to treating bandwidth as a salable commodity that has a market value?
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Old May 8th, 2010, 05:04 PM   #27
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What about YouTube? Video podcasts? On demand video? Video conferences? Online backups? There are a LOT of ways to chew through bandwidth that are not illegal or immoral, etc. Just because YOU don't use them and don't go through more than 60G of bandwidth in a month doesn't make it un-needed.

As for the free ride comment my ride has certainly not been free with purchased online videos, far from it in fact. We already pay a premium for that content i n many cases, and now it looks like we'll end up paying even more yet again thanks to the CRTC's ruling.

I wondernif this means that ISP's like Teksavvy will just start offering Cogent connections exclusively (or if they even can). I know that my service through them is thru Cogent as I paid for premium routing through Cogent, so not sure how the Bell overcharging is going to affect that.

Just when things started to look like they might be on an upswing in the US with their new approach to provisioning over net neutrality we take a hit for the worse above the border.
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Not quite. Imagine going to the gas station where the price is posted at $105.9 per litre and saying "I'll pay you $50 for a tank of gas, and I won't tell you whether I have a 50 l tank or a 200 l tank. If you don't take my offer for 200 l worth I'm gonna complain bitterly"
Not quite indeed. A more apt analogy would be if the gas station was ADVERTISING that you could get a full tank regardless of the size for $50, then charged you extra anyway.

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We like unlimited GB access at a flat price because we can abuse it, and we (the heavy users) are subsidized by my Dad who uses only 2 GB a month but pays the same amount on the monthly plan.
Abusing? They're PAYING for unlimited. Maybe your Dad should get a cheaper plan if he doesn't need unlimited.

There has never been any "free ride". Most people are already paying far more than what they get value for. The price needs to go down, not up.
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Ya wants the goods, ya pays the freight. The free ride is ending.

That is just the thing it is not a free ride. That is already bought and paid for on both ends. Google, Apple, all of them pay for the bandwidth on their end, and the customer is paying on the other end.

The customer pays the wholesaler, the wholesaler pays Bell. Bell still probably makes the most money off of these customers, with less costs associated for those customers.

When this new UBB goes into effect, my AppleTV is no longer as attractive for getting HD movies. Right now I pay for 200GB a month, but at 60GB a month, I might start worrying about what percentage it is using up. Hey Apple! Bell is hurting your business!
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Old May 10th, 2010, 01:07 PM   #30
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Abusing? They're PAYING for unlimited. Maybe your Dad should get a cheaper plan if he doesn't need unlimited.
Well, that's the thing at issue here. What they're providing isn't actually unlimited. ISPs have to pay to provide you with internet and the more people use, the more the ISP has to pay - so why shouldn't the people using it pay as well?

The mistake here is ever advertising something as unlimited in the first place when they no it is not. So, yes, the ISPs made the mistake, and this is now being corrected.
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